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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #75 on: October 19, 2018, 08:43:36 am »
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The day is quickly approaching when no one will have the ability or inclination to use their hands or brains

That's rubbish. Currently, the world is already full of products you can purchase, yet lots of people still enjoy making their own. Take my hobby for instance: I could buy premade diecast scale models, but instead I build models from kits or I scratchbuild because what I enjoy is the process of creating something.   

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2018, 01:53:35 pm »
The hobby builders may just benefit, look at the types of model that are being sold, rarely are they large run models obscure types or experimental types but if the home user can create the parts themselves, we may see an upsurge in the unusual.  Airfix et al may not like it but WE might just get a win.  Paper models may even get a resurgence.

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2018, 11:13:31 pm »
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The hobby builders may just benefit

We already do. Several of my scratchbuild projects over the past few years have a few printed parts in them. I'm selling those parts too.

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #78 on: November 16, 2018, 02:36:39 am »
which 3d program you use,
and on which printer you print

thx

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #79 on: November 16, 2018, 03:08:47 am »
I draw in SolidWorks, and use Shapeways.com for printing.
 

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2018, 05:03:31 am »
I draw in SolidWorks, and use Shapeways.com for printing.

thank you

you do not have your own printer

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2018, 05:30:42 am »
No. Last time I checked all the affordable printers are filament extrusion printers, and their results require a lot of postprocessing to get a nice finish. Plus they can be big time sinks as you figure out how to get the best results from them. For the cost of a home printer, I can do 10 years' worth of print orders on Shapeways.

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2018, 06:03:22 am »
No. Last time I checked all the affordable printers are filament extrusion printers, and their results require a lot of postprocessing to get a nice finish. Plus they can be big time sinks as you figure out how to get the best results from them. For the cost of a home printer, I can do 10 years' worth of print orders on Shapeways.

thank you for your reply

Interestingly,
it is not worth buying a 3d printer for personal use

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2018, 06:24:21 am »
Depends on what you want. If you want to experiment, buy a printer. If filament printing resolution is high enough for you, buying also makes sense.
If you print 1-2 objects per year (like me) it becomes an expensive hobby and you might be better off using a commercial printing service.

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2018, 06:49:14 am »
thank you

I plan to work on models 1/72, various ex-Yugoslav models

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2018, 02:38:34 pm »
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The hobby builders may just benefit

We already do. Several of my scratchbuild projects over the past few years have a few printed parts in them. I'm selling those parts too.

How can you suggest your projects are scratchbuilt when a robot did some of the work for you?

David
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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2018, 03:41:59 pm »
I just wanted to chime in about the snarky remark about scratch building and 3D printing. I can tell you for a fact that there is a LOT of handwork for most 3D prints.... We get some 3D models from Sikorsky and they require a ton of work to get smooth and paint ready. Our skills are tested with each model from start to finish. Try it some time!  A robot can only print what we tell it too and there are a lot of errors to correct most of the time.

It really does not matter how we come about the parts to make any model, whether from hand-carved wood masters, resin molds, 3D printing, or whatever, there are skills and crafting required, so YES - 3D is scratch building at its base level. As an artist and a modeler, it does not make any difference how one get's there.... just as long as we do - and the finished product looks. 

Give me a 3D printed bunch of parts and frankly, sometimes it may be easier to carve it in wood than fill, prime, sand - fill, prime, sand -fill, prime, sand, fill, prime, sand....... but at least the bones are there.......
You get the picture!

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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2018, 01:06:00 am »
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The hobby builders may just benefit

We already do. Several of my scratchbuild projects over the past few years have a few printed parts in them. I'm selling those parts too.

How can you suggest your projects are scratchbuilt when a robot did some of the work for you?

David

The robot was following my instructions.

When a project contains a significant amount of scratchbuilding, I consider the project to be a scratchbuild. Some people use a definition where only projects that are made 100% from raw materials are scratchbuilds, I disagree with that definition.
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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2018, 04:21:14 am »
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The hobby builders may just benefit

We already do. Several of my scratchbuild projects over the past few years have a few printed parts in them. I'm selling those parts too.

How can you suggest your projects are scratchbuilt when a robot did some of the work for you?

David

The robot was following my instructions.

When a project contains a significant amount of scratchbuilding, I consider the project to be a scratchbuild. Some people use a definition where only projects that are made 100% from raw materials are scratchbuilds, I disagree with that definition.

So...

Master to Slave: "Slave, build me a three-masted sailing ship model!"
Slave completes and presents model to Master.
The Master proudly states (in the voice of Obama) "I built that!" Then he marches 'his' creation to the local IPMS regional contest or client and proudly presents the work as 'his' scratch-built model.

I see.

When you surrender your motor-skills to robots, you lose those skills, as well as the people you would have passed those skills on to. Soon all 'model makers' will be people who only know how to select a menu of geometric shapes off a monitor, move a mouse around and then mash the 'enter' key when all the images fall into a pattern of their liking.

I well appreciate that the robots do our work faster, better, and cheaper than us. I just rebel against the willing abandonment of the Craft.

I'm all about attribution. Next time you present a robot produced item, don't claim it as your work, simply say, "hey, look what my robot made for me".

David
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Re: 3D printing
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2018, 07:13:09 am »

I'm all about attribution. Next time you present a robot produced item, don't claim it as your work, simply say, "hey, look what my robot made for me".

David

Don't assume things about how I present my builds. You can check for yourself over on whatifmodelers.com.