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Offline rabid stoat

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M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« on: July 25, 2007, 03:38:13 am »
My first post, I think. Bear with me...

I've tried several times now to find more info on this Abrams CATTB (Component Advanced Technology TestBed), but Google and co lead me to VERY limited information. Text in the pic tell you all I know. Does Anyone know if Jane's International Defence Review is archived online anywhere?
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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 02:20:24 pm »
Found that pic on a Spanish newpaper from 1991. Anybody knows details about it?

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 11:07:03 pm »
Its just a nice drawing for what the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) could look like. In the end it turned out looking like this (XM1201, the XM1202 is similar but with bigger gun):

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 11:16:39 pm »
Thanks Abraham

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 11:41:56 pm »
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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2008, 01:45:29 am »
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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2008, 03:52:34 am »
Found that pic on a Spanish newpaper from 1991. Anybody knows details about it?

I remember it when it was going the rounds of the various defence journals.  It was used in some advertising and intended to be an "artist's impression" of what a possible future MBT would look like, rather than a serious contender for the M1's replacement.  It was supposed to feature modular armour which could be added depending upon what threat it was felt it would be facing, while the basic vehicle would be light enough to be easily air-transportable.

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2008, 04:33:54 am »
FCS FMBT concept from Western Design HOWDEN (WDH)

The Future Combat System (FCS) - A Technology Evolution Review and Feasibility Assessment
by Asher H. Sharoni and Lawrence D. Bacon

ARMOR July-August 1997
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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2008, 06:03:43 am »
Thanks Flateric!,

I find a very interesting feature in this design which is its main weapon.

Does it means that the big classical guns are obsolete for future MBT?

Is the MBT role evolving to act in a different role according to that change in its main weapon?



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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2008, 06:07:58 am »
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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 07:59:12 am »
Does it means that the big classical guns are obsolete for future MBT?

Is the MBT role evolving to act in a different role according to that change in its main weapon?

Pometavlaba:

What all this means is that the US Army's concept of an FCS is still very much in a state of flux (you might also want to see the discussion on the FCS thread from late last year and early this year -- I can't seem to insert the link, but it was quite a heated discussion).

As matters stand now, the Future MBT is on hold. The FCS Mounted Combat System (MCS) is supposed to supplement the Abrams and possibly replace it in some roles. However, because the MCS is basically a light tank (weight is supposed to be 24 short tons), it will not completely replace the Abrams. The latter, indeed, is supposed to remain in service in one guise or another until at least 2050.

Regarding major caliber weapons: The MCS is going to mount a 120MM gun; efforts to produce weapons in larger calibers have not yet succeeded in an unequivocla fashion. Thus, in the 1990s it was widely reported that the US, Germany, Switzerland, and Israel were developing 140MM MBT guns. None have come into service. The truth is, that the bigger the gun, the more unwieldy the ammunition is and the greater the need for an autoloader, which complicates the vehicle to a point where it might no longer be economical. That doesn't mean that there won't be an MBT with a large caliber gun in the US Army's future, just not in the immediate future.

And BTW, the utility and wisdom of replacing a 60+ ton MBT with a 24 ton "MCS" is being hotly debated within the ranks of the Army's TRADOC and TACOM.

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2008, 03:19:21 am »
Pah!  They should go straight to a 7.2in gun, like the FV4005 had!

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2008, 08:30:36 am »
Rickshaw:

I'm not sure that would necessarily solve the problem -- but that sure does look like an awesome tank killer. You wouldn't have a three view and specs for that puppy would you?

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2008, 11:11:19 am »
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You wouldn't have a three view and specs for that puppy would you?

don't know if this link's of any help..

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Quarters/7413/conway.html

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Re: M1 Abrams MBT Replacement
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2008, 09:42:41 am »
The FCS concept that Flateric posted appears to have a railgun, so small projectile, but lots of bang in that projectile :)
It's a crappy self-made pic of a Lockheed Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), BTW
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