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Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« on: June 28, 2007, 09:31:13 am »
Hi,

Does anyone hear about HFB-209 twin turboprop transport aircraft which
developed from CASA C-209 and HFB-314 airliner which intended to compete
the Caravelle ?.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2007, 09:55:02 am »
Hi,

I get some info about HFB-209,it was low wing and seating
capacity was 48-54,and powered by two 3500 hp Allison
501D-13 engines.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1957/1957%20-%200993.html
« Last Edit: March 23, 2010, 10:12:52 am by hesham »

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2007, 11:57:16 am »
.. and here's the HFB-314, even in two different layouts:
(from Flugwelt 4/1960)
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2007, 07:53:22 pm »
Hi,

I get some info about HFB-209,it was low wing and seating
capacity was 48-54,and powered by two 3500 hp Allison
501D-13 engines.

Sounds like a good turboprop replacement/competitor for the Convair 580/660 series, if that was what the airlines were looking for.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2007, 09:47:43 am »
Thank you my dear Jemiba,

And for elmayerle, the HFB-209 was look like CASA C-209
project.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 09:57:41 am »
Hi,

An artist picture to HFB-314.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 10:40:41 am »
Hesham, thats from Flight International archives. Please give a reference!
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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 04:15:38 pm »
Dear Boys & Girls, here is a "Secret Project" for you, the Hamburger Flugzeugbau HFB-209; a German airliner with Napier Eland or Allison 501 turboprop engines.

Actually, it's not "Secret", but it is a "Project"......

The cutting is from the 20th July 1957 issue of Les Ailes......

Terry (Caravellarella)......
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I can scarcely contain my indifference......
Maybe it's MAYBELLINE......
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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2010, 10:14:45 am »
My dear Caravellarella,

I spoke about this aircraft before;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2062.msg17538.html#msg17538

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 11:25:53 am »
Meh
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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2010, 12:01:56 pm »
Topics merged.
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Re: Hamburger Flugzeugbau GmbH HFB-314 jet airliner project......
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2011, 04:43:45 am »
Dear Boys and Girls, here is an article in French announcing cancellation of the Hamburger Flugzeugbau GmbH HFB-314 jet airliner "project"; the "German Caravelle", because of a lack of serious customer interest in face of continuing Sud Caravelle development and the imminent launch of the Boeing 727......

The article comes from the 16th December 1960 issue of Les Ailes......

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2013, 09:17:07 am »
More details:
 
HFB 209
 
Crew: 3-4
Passengers: 60
Engines: Napier Eland N EI.6 (2 x 2.575 kW)
Wing Span: 28.55 m
Length: 24.32 m
Height: 8.40 m
Wing Area: 89.4 sq m
Max Speed: 568 km/h
Cruise Speed: 512 km/h
Landing Speed: 156 km/h
Empty Weight: 10,950 kg
Take-off Weight: 20,500 kg
Ceiling: 9,600 m
Range: 2,000 km
 
HFB 314
 
Crew: 3-5
Passengers: 70-78
Engines: Rolls-Royce R141/11 (2 x 68.65 kN)
Wing Span: 28.45 m
Length: 36.25 m
Height: 9.04 m
Wing Area: 114.5 sq m
Max Speed: 975 km/h at 7,000 m
Cruise Speed: 570 km/h
Empty Weight: 12,100 kg
Take-off Weight: 50,250 kg
Operating Ceiling: 8,000-12,000 m
Max Range: 3,400 km
 
Source: Blohm & Voss Flugzeuge Seit 1933
by Manfred Griehl (Motorbuch Verlag 2011) ISBN 9783613032675
 

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 03:22:24 pm »
Hi,


the HFB-209.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2013, 01:25:20 pm »

There is an article about HFB 314 and HFB 209 in the magazine 'Flugzeug Classic', 04/2000 (September/ October), page 68-71.
All pictures featured in that article have been posted from other sources in more or less quality in this topic before.


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HFB 209 add
Source: http://www.fzt.haw-hamburg.de/pers/Scholz/dglr/hh/text_2008_10_09_HFB320.pdf
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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2013, 02:01:59 pm »
A model of the HFB-314 was shown in Flugwelt, April 1960:
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2014, 06:49:10 am »

The German magazine 'Klassiker der Luftfahrt' published an old 7 paged advertising brochure about the Turboprop-Airliner HFB-209.

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Vergessenes Projekt der 50er Jahre
Der Turboprop-Airliner HFB-209
Der Hamburger Flugzeugbau als Teil der Schiffswerft Blohm & Voss suchte nach dem zweiten Weltkrieg wieder den Anschluß an die Luftfahrtindustrie und beteiligte sich zunächst an der Lizenzfertigung der Nord 2501 Noratlas.
Im Juli 1957 berichtete die Fachpresse erstmals über das neue Projekt HFB-209, das den im Einsatz befindlichen Convair-Linern Konkurrenz machen sollte. Außer der nachfolgenden kleinen Werbebroschüre ist über diesen Typ so gut wie nichts an die Öffentlichkeit gelangt.

Marton Szigeti/Archiv


Source: Klassiker der Luftfahrt: Vergessenes Projekt der 50er Jahre  - Der Turboprop-Airliner HFB-209, January 14th, 2014
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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2014, 06:50:35 am »
Great Find my dear Rolf.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2014, 07:16:30 am »
Splendid! Thanks a lot, fightingirish.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2014, 12:28:29 pm »
A model of the HFB-314 was shown in Flugwelt, April 1960:


Man that is one elegant aircraft!!


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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2014, 05:50:58 am »
And from the same source,


the HFB-314 Model and 3-view.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2017, 01:49:23 pm »
My two cents.
Draw made using Inkscape on the only blueprint available of the HFB.209.
Of course I could only imagine some details. Hope you enjoy my work.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2017, 06:36:20 pm »
Very nice work Zeroc!

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2017, 04:27:16 am »
Amazing work Zeroc.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2017, 11:35:13 pm »
Re: the HFB 314
Wonder why the D-shaped (is that called sugar scoop?) inlets? It would seem like the length necessary to transition to a round section at the compressor (or fan?) face would impose a drag and weight penalty.  Could they have wanted to grab undisturbed air while placing the engines as far aft and inboard as possible?

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2017, 04:16:41 am »
Re: the HFB 314
Wonder why the D-shaped (is that called sugar scoop?) inlets? It would seem like the length necessary to transition to a round section at the compressor (or fan?) face would impose a drag and weight penalty.  Could they have wanted to grab undisturbed air while placing the engines as far aft and inboard as possible?

That's possible,any change in wing shape forced on the designer to figure a suitable
position for the engines,if he failed,the simple thing is to put them in rear fuselage.

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Cheers.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2017, 05:10:39 am »
That's an interesting link Steelpillow.
Other aircraft projects depicted on other pages of that article of operator's reference drawings include the Avro 771 and the BAC 107 as well as the VC-10 Super Freighter.

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Re: Hamburger HFB-209 & HFB-314 projects
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2017, 08:19:46 am »
Nice find Steelpillow.