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Offline Jemiba

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French VSTOL concepts
« on: June 20, 2007, 10:50:08 am »
Now new, as a new thread, I'll start with three concepts made by Ivan Makhonine,
a born russian, later naturalized frenchmen.
Makhonine is well known for his VG designs with telescopic wings, Mak-10 and Mak-123,
but about this VTOL concepts (from VSTOL.org) I've found nothing. Surely, concepts "9"
and "10" are just schematic drawings ...
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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2007, 11:26:58 am »
Another concept from Marchetti, contrary to the stoppable rotor
designs (see http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,431.0.html),
this design uses lift props in the wing roots.
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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2007, 08:48:27 am »
The prop at the tail looks to me like begging for trouble.


(But this thing has potential as a high-tech lawn-mower!)  :D

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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2007, 10:54:21 pm »
One thing I'd love to see here would be more info on the various French efforts, besides those of Breguet, to utilize the BS.53 (Pegasus) or BS.100 for vstol fighters.

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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2007, 11:35:33 pm »
There is the Dassault MD-610 Cavalier using a BE-53.



I don't know any other French plane using the Pegasus.

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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2007, 02:27:35 am »
Here's the Bertin ADAV design , no designation given by Cuny.

For the Nord designs, wait for hte July Le Fana issue ...  ;)
Just as a clue (and because it's hopefully not used there)
and old drawing, please don't laugh !   :-\
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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 11:22:38 am »
Hi,

a drawing from patent to Marchetti VSTOL aircraft project.

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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 12:17:03 pm »
This was a stopable rotor design, which here still looks really "heli-like". Later drawings showed
a more "fighter like" type :
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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 12:53:01 pm »
here Picture of SNECMA (BTZ) C-450 Coléoptère









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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 11:43:00 am »
French site master 194 here http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37675 for the coléoptère C-450 SNECMA cockpit an history but you must translate.My Name is bruno and i'm living in MARSEILLE. FRANCE

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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 12:34:14 pm »
Welcome Bruno,
will look regularly to your site and try my understanding of the french language.
A quick look through the thread, you've send the link of, showed some things,
that might be interesting for others here, too, for example the Convair model 49 !
Good start !   ;)
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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 06:41:38 pm »
The C-450 Coléoptère is probably where they got the idea for the Phoenix in the movie Titan AE.















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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 11:42:37 pm »
Aircraft recognition 101: If it's strange, it's French. If it's ugly, it's British. If it's strange and ugly, it's Russian.

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Re: French VSTOL concepts
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 04:20:52 am »
The C-450 Coléoptère is probably where they got the idea for the Phoenix in the movie Titan AE.

jep that right
The C-450 Coléoptère is one of iconic Aircraft of 1960s
and Template of alot SF VTOL or Spaceship design  ;D
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