Register here

Author Topic: Kliper  (Read 11312 times)

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 22310
Kliper
« on: June 08, 2007, 12:02:16 pm »
Hi,

The Russian Federal Space Agency (FSA) is developing
the Kliper,a reusable manned spacecraft.

Offline Barrington Bond

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 927
Re: Kliper
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2007, 02:36:34 pm »
"It hasn't squeaked in a week!"

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Offline Matej

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 2617
  • Multiuniversal creator
    • Hitechweb - bizare aviation
Re: Kliper
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2007, 02:24:01 pm »
What is the latest variant? The one with the wings, three lines of seats for the six passangers and the Parom stage?

Bizarre aviation expert.

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
Re: Kliper
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2007, 02:58:37 pm »
Mato, Vadim Lukashevich (author of the photos) said that this is last model of Kliper as of march 2007.

This, meantime, doesn't mean that this is model of the last Kliper iteration, in his words.
At least the same model stands at Sevastyanov's working table now. Tomorrow I will scan some stuff from the January Energia presentation on Kliper/Parom.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2007, 03:01:10 pm by flateric »
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
Re: Kliper
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2007, 11:20:46 am »
This is from Energia October 2006 presentation. Now so far to my knowledge, just winged version survived, Kliper-Parom stack abandoned (flies are separated from cuttlets as our president says). No money enought to go on. Europeans (ESA) just investing in Soyuz modermnisation so far.

Looking at Kliper nose/bottom fuselage I can't stop myself from thinking about striking look-alike some grill chicken breast parts.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2007, 11:25:47 am by flateric »
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
Re: Kliper
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2007, 01:37:54 pm »
Interesting interview from Novosti Kosmonavtiki magazine (01/2007) with Nikolay Sevastyanov, RKK Energia Chief Designer. ), many on Kliper.
http://www.energia.ru/energia/news/news-2007/docs/public_01.pdf
Sorry, in Russian only.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2007, 01:39:35 pm by flateric »
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
Re: Kliper
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 01:43:57 pm »
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Offline Archibald

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 2067
Re: Kliper
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2007, 11:49:29 am »
This is from Energia October 2006 presentation. Now so far to my knowledge, just winged version survived, Kliper-Parom stack abandoned (flies are separated from cuttlets as our president says). No money enought to go on. Europeans (ESA) just investing in Soyuz modermnisation so far.

Looking at Kliper nose/bottom fuselage I can't stop myself from thinking about striking look-alike some grill chicken breast parts.

Yeah, ESA financed ALL its programs in 12/2005, except... Klipper proposal. ESA manned spacecraft are more dead than alive... china, India have taken the lead in this field...
Conservatoire de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine
http://www.caea.info/en/plan.php

Profanity: weaker mind trying to speak forcefully

Political correctness: just bury your head in the sand for the sake of appeasement and "peace for our time"
- https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Dassault#Affaires_

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
Re: Kliper
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 01:49:41 pm »
No mention of Kliper at all at MAKS 07, except little model on top of new Makeev KB 'Rossiyanka' rocket (methan fueled, with reusable first stage - in short, full bullshit deadborn stuff) that was left there just because of pre-show hurry in spite of changing winds after Sevastyanov resignment. So, farewell, Kliper...
« Last Edit: August 26, 2007, 01:58:43 pm by flateric »
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Offline Archibald

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 2067
Re: Kliper
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 12:30:02 am »
 >:(
So current situation is, ESA has money but no will ( former astronaut Patrick Baudry has a strong opinion on the subject, to say the least ::)) for a manned spacecraft, while Russia wanted to replace Soyuz by Kliper, but has no money...

what a waste  :'( 
Conservatoire de l'Air et de l'Espace d'Aquitaine
http://www.caea.info/en/plan.php

Profanity: weaker mind trying to speak forcefully

Political correctness: just bury your head in the sand for the sake of appeasement and "peace for our time"
- https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Dassault#Affaires_

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
Re: Kliper
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 03:08:03 am »
In fact, Russia don't want Kliper now as well. Read this http://www.kommersant.com/p795701/r_529/Space_Rocket_Launch/
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Online Michel Van

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 4078
Re: Kliper
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 04:26:22 am »
Kliper die Slowly

2004
Plant as Universal system like CEV (now ORION)
LOW to ISS, Lunar and Interplanetary (Venus Mars)
as Lifting Body

2005
Kliper Switch to wings
its became Heavy just like ESA Hermes mini Shuttle (from planed 10 Ton up to 21 Ton !!)

then they lost the Launcher Zenit
is Ukraine Launcher so NIET from Moscow
because Russian government wanted all system contractors to be located inside Russia.

Angara Launcher no jet build (is this chancel too ???)
R-7 upgrade projects -- Yamal, Avrora and Onega never leave a drawing board.
then its Soyuz-3 with NK-33 no jet build....

December 2005 they lost securing the European funding for the project...

January 2006
next Idea Kilper on R-7 Soyuz-2 launch from French Guiana, rendezvous with orbital tug Parom
question : how gona Kilper be Cheaper as Soyuz with 2 Launches for ISS ???

then on Juli 2006 the Universal system like CEV was kill in favor of Lunar Soyuz system
means Kipler fly only to ISS...

It like end of Hermes allover again...

So Wat next ???
radical upgrade of the Soyuz spacecraft as ACTS (ESA & RSA)
could work but if ESA minsters say NO again (like Hermes or Europe Capsule) is over

Khrunichev's concept of the TKS-based capsule ??

2008 we will know more wen the Crew Space Transportation System (CSTS)
(was Advanced Crew Transportation System ACTS) Studie ends in 2008

more on that here
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz_acts.html
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/kliper.html
I love Strange Technology

Online pometablava

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 3312
Re: Kliper
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 02:13:05 pm »
Please, anyone can post a pic of Kliper/Soyuz launch configuration?

Thanks in advance

Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8572
Re: Kliper
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 02:15:58 pm »
OK, Kliper was effectively dead already in June, 2006 - this is a date Lukashevich says when all design work on Kliper was stopped at Energia...Now we will built our own Shenzhou copy-cat...what an irony..
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works