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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2016, 01:57:24 pm »
Good News? I would fund as robust an energetic research program as possible. Get there first (propulsion) with the biggest bang (explosives)

https://medium.com/@RDECOM/army-scientists-synthesize-high-performing-energetic-material-8a5673ff28be#.tct25prv1
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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2016, 02:18:49 pm »
The Army wants 40MM grenades with the lethality effect of 155MM Artillery. WTF kind of compound could cause that kind of effect?

A few things that come to mind are:

-Octol
-Metallic Hydrogen
-Blast silicon
-Nanite based explosives

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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2016, 02:57:49 pm »
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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2016, 05:18:44 pm »
The Army wants 40MM grenades with the lethality effect of 155MM Artillery. WTF kind of compound could cause that kind of effect?

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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2016, 07:08:05 pm »
The Army wants 40MM grenades with the lethality effect of 155MM Artillery. WTF kind of compound could cause that kind of effect?

Boomex. Avoid mixing with Ovalkwik.

I see stuff like that and wonder about micro-nukes.  I've always heard there was a minimum size due to having sufficient critical mass but I'd think density would be more important than absolute mass. 
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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2016, 08:31:44 am »
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2016/05/13/rocket-motor-congress-defense-policy/84321310/

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According to a memo obtained by Defense News with both Orbital ATK and Aerojet Rocketdyne’s logos stamped across the top, the legislation is necessary to help a suffering solid rocket motor industrial base in the US.

“Limited new tactical motor programs, coupled with few planned upgrades to existing tactical missile programs, have placed the domestic industrial base of [solid rocket motors] at risk, a situation made worse by outsourcing rocket motor production to foreign suppliers,” the memo said.

The number of domestic producers of such rocket motors has dropped since the 1980s from five suppliers to two due to a “significant” reduction in the number of new tactical missile programs and the tendency by the Pentagon to cut missile procurement in order to pay other bills, according to the memo.

The memo noted that the US industrial base is further affected by missile prime contractors choosing foreign solid rocket motor suppliers. It specifically pointed to AMRAAM relying “solely” on a “Norwegian” supplier for rocket motors and said that the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile for the US Navy also uses a foreign supplier (also Nammo). Additionally, Raytheon’s Sidewinder and Lockheed’s Hellfire missile programs are considering foreign suppliers, according to the memo
I personally can think of a few dozen tactical and strategic weapons I'd develop using solid rockets............... :'(
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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2016, 01:08:07 pm »


I see stuff like that and wonder about micro-nukes.  I've always heard there was a minimum size due to having sufficient critical mass but I'd think density would be more important than absolute mass.

It is more complicated than that, but your assumption in general is correct.

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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2016, 06:19:53 pm »
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2016/05/heres-way-out-our-rare-earths-mess/128250/

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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2016, 09:24:50 pm »
You read this stuff (and many, many other things) and it's obvious our government is either unbelievably incompetent or completely corrupt.   >:( :'(
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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2016, 10:28:27 pm »
You read this stuff (and many, many other things) and it's obvious our government is either unbelievably incompetent or completely corrupt.   >:( :'(
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Re: Pentagon Running Out of U.S. Suppliers of Energetic Materials
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2016, 05:27:12 pm »
http://www.ndia.org/Divisions/Divisions/ScienceAndEngineeringTechnology/Documents/ARL_Sept2013.pdf

Page 11 Poly-CO potential energetic material 7X RDX. Is this the material up the thread described as "putting 155mm artillery in a 40mm grenade?"
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