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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 05:19:19 am »
Wow, just wow.
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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 05:37:02 am »
Almost makes the Bel Geddes Air Liner No. 4 look as if it lacked ambition!!!

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 06:47:56 pm »
Does anybody knows where more info about this aircraft is available? I just cant't find nothing more than that russian article. Thanks!

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 08:08:01 pm »
The Rumpler design? Scaled up and with some of its more practical features removed?

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 09:56:09 pm »
I just cant't find nothing more than that russian article. Thanks!

Please, could you post a direct link to it ?
The title of this thread is misleading, it's not the designers name, just the German term "kühner Wunschtraum"
(bold pipe dream) ....
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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2019, 04:46:43 am »
My dear Jemiba,

it's Luftfahrt International No.12.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2019, 04:51:13 am by hesham »

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2019, 05:26:25 am »
I just cant't find nothing more than that russian article. Thanks!

Please, could you post a direct link to it ?
The title of this thread is misleading, it's not the designers name, just the German term "kühner Wunschtraum"
(bold pipe dream) ....

Thanks for your explanation! The name of the thread is indeed wrong, I thought it was the name of a german designer, but couldn't find nothing with this "name".
This is the link: http://alternathistory.com/kyuner-vinshtraum-kuhner-wunschtraum-letayushhie-okeanskie-giganty/

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2019, 05:51:14 am »
Luftfahrt International writes the concept/design/whatever is the work of a US team of engineers from 1934.

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2019, 06:27:52 am »
Thanks for the clue ! It was hardly a project, rather a proposal, though the article says, that
"... the Americans are claiming, that the only real problem is funding ...". Luftfahrt International
often had such a "project" in their issues, as tongue-in-cheek review.
Maybe back then the business concept of proposing still infeasible things and trying to lure
investors was already known ?

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2019, 09:24:47 am »
According the text

A group of US engineers  made the plans for this Giant Aircraft

wing span 183 meter or 600 ft. lengt fuselage 100 meter or 328 ft.
12 engines with total capacity of 10000 horsepower
it need 13-16 hours to cross the atlantic
1500 passengers + crew !

Each  passengers pay 900 reichsmark = 13000000 reichsmark each flight.
next to that income by post and cargo

the Airliner has own build in Cranes and big entrance for Passengers
is airliner also equip with dining hall, gambling room, smoker room, observation/promenades deck.
has garage for passengers cars and two hangars for small aircrafts launch by catapult

odd the Bel Geddes Air Liner No. 4 has similar concept, but is half in size and capacity
I wonder if this giant airliner is related to aeronautical engineer Dr. O.A. Koller ?


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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2019, 03:38:18 pm »
A clearer views.

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2019, 04:24:51 am »
Giants of the Sky by Bill Gunston, PSL 1991 has a similar image, of which Mr Gunston wrote that it was published in The Sphere magazine of June 1933.
I have found the relevant page in the Saturday 10 June 1933 issue.
Because some images in this thread do not appear in the article, the images' original source should be even older than June 1933.

Page found here: British Newspaper Archive (www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk) Image © Illustrated London News Group

Hasan: great images, but it would be helpful if you gave their source.
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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2019, 05:28:46 am »
Amazing search,many thanks to you my dear Arjen.

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Re: US Proposal from the '30s for a Giant Transatlantic Flying Boat
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2019, 06:33:18 pm »
So, it seems that we are uncovering this monster. I think that would be good to know who proposed the design, and if documents are availabe. I am thinking about a 3d model and a scale model 😊
Wich design seems more feasible for you, the Bel geddes m4 or this one?