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Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« on: March 31, 2006, 07:18:46 am »
Aviation Magazine No.545 September 1970
Attached pic from Farnborough 1970.

Additional info: Illustrated Encyclopedia of the World's Rockets&Missiles. By Bill Gunston. Ed Salamander. ISBN 0-571-26870. Pg 221

The Vietnam War experience warn about the need for short range air to air weapons to be developed. Hawker Siddeley started design of a new AAM for visual range engagements named Taildog in 1970. The same year, the MoD awarded the company with funds to go ahead with the weapon under the designation SRAAM-100 (later changed to SRAAM). The contract was cancelled in 1974, but retained as a technology demonstration program. The final evolution of this design is the AIM-132 ASRAAM

http://www.skomer.u-net.com/projects/asraam.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-132.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM





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Re: Taildog AAM
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2006, 08:53:28 am »
Thanks for that.

Here's an image of an SRAAM firing and the proposed launch tube. The first image is from Modern Airborne Missiles by Bill Gunston, the other image comes from the RAF Cosford website. I was very disappointed to find they didn't actually have the launcher there when I visited!
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2006, 09:36:25 am »
Length: 2.724m
Diameter: 165mm
Speed: Mach 3

IMI Summerfield produced the solid motor with control actuation by Sperry Gyroscope.

Used a lightweight twin-tube launcher whose adaptor shoe housed the fire control system. The missile tube had nose doors, which opened during firing then closed immediately to reduce drag.

Off boresight capability of 90 degrees.
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2006, 01:13:18 pm »
There's a good picture of Taildog in Jane's Weapons Systems 1970-1.

I might buy this volume when I have £10 spare
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2006, 02:40:37 pm »
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2006, 02:58:32 am »
I did my apprenticeship for a Hawker Siddeley subsidiary in the seventies and I remember an in-house competition to name the missile. I don't think I've ever seen the chosen name published anywhere other than company internal newspaper, but as far as we were concerned it was going to be called"Mongoose".
OTOH the competition result was announced, IIRC, sometime in 1974....

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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2006, 03:52:20 am »
Excellent info. I don't suppose you recall anything else of interest about the program?
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2006, 03:55:17 pm »
Here's a pic of a test installation of SRAAM on a Hunter in 1978. It has a recording camera and lacks the nose doors of the production launcher.

Janes gives 2.73m length and 0.168mm diameter.

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Jane's All The World's Aircraft 1980-1981
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2006, 08:48:51 pm »
It has a recording camera and lacks the nose doors of the production launcher.



I do have to wonder about the mechanical complexity and weight penalties of encapsulating a small air-to-air missile like SRAAM?


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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2006, 12:34:31 pm »
SRAAM
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2006, 12:40:33 pm »
SRAAM TVC controls
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2006, 08:20:50 am »
Twin tube launcher
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2006, 02:27:08 pm »
Just noticed that in 1995, BAe proposed a TVC ASRAAM using thrust vector vanes for the AIM-9X program. Son of Taildog? :)

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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2006, 07:58:02 am »
Hmmm in the apendix of British secret projects (bombers) T.Buttler mention the Blackburn P.146 light fighter of 1969 and precise that the plane was to be armed only with taildogs, and guided by the P.139 (the odd AEW aircraft planned for the RN, not sure of its name)
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Re: Taildog/SRAAM AAM
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2007, 05:00:39 pm »
SRARM was a anti-radar-homing derivative of SRAAM. A model is displayed at Bristol Aero Collection (http://www.bristolaero.com)

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SRARM Missile

This exhibit is a design model for an SRARM (Short Range Anti-Radar Missile) that only ever existed on paper. It has a place in the Collection to remind us that in spite of the fact that not all projects come to fruition, people expended time and effort to progress as far as the proposal stage.
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