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Offline hesham

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Fokker Civil Projects
« on: October 22, 2012, 09:25:55 am »
Hi,

here is the Fokker F.X,F.XIII,F.XV,F.XVI,F.XVII,F.XIX and F.XXI


http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/index5/Civil/index5-2%20Fokker%20Civil%20Aircrafts.html


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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 09:30:59 am »
And;


P-132,P-147,P-160 and P-189
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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 08:41:11 am »
Hi,

a friend told me that,he heard about a variant from Fokker G-1 into a light transport
aircraft project,is that right ?.
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Re: Fokker civil projects
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 05:36:54 am »
Well you could argue that the P147 and P160 projects, of which of posted 3-views, or the F-25 Promotor are related to the G-1, but somehow I feel that such a suggestion stretches a bit too far. For the same token one could argue that they are all related to the Fokker D-23, another twin tail boom aircraft. I believe that any such argument should be backed further by references from that era and not but assumptions made by somebody at a much later date.   

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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2014, 06:21:35 am »
Well you could argue that the P147 and P160 projects, of which of posted 3-views, or the F-25 Promotor are related to the G-1, but somehow I feel that such a suggestion stretches a bit too far. For the same token one could argue that they are all related to the Fokker D-23, another twin tail boom aircraft. I believe that any such argument should be backed further by references from that era and not but assumptions made by somebody at a much later date.


Thank you my dear Jos,


and of course,the P.147,P.160 and F-25 are very close to D.XXIII rather than any Fokker
aircraft,but my friend saw a drawing to G-1 as a transport aircraft in a magazine,may be
fake or just a hypothetical design.


I am waiting the answer from anther site,and I hope to know the truth.
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Re: Fokker civil projects
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2014, 02:54:52 pm »
Nothing about a light transport variant of the G.1 is mentioned or illustrated
in the two-very extensive- books about the Fokker G.1 published
by Lanasta- Violaero the Netherlands...

Besides ,as told before the 'P' designator was not used by Fokker at that time.
The article in the Aeroplane Monthly Feb.1989 mentioned them
as Design ,ontwerp in Dutch,  127-104A-132 etc.

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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2014, 02:59:07 pm »
Nothing about a light transport variant of the G.1 is mentioned or illustrated
in the two-very extensive- books about the Fokker G.1 published
by Lanasta- Violaero the Netherlands...


Yes my dear Lark,


I just get confirm about this from anther site,the drawing which saw by my friend may
be a hypothetical or fake design,nothing more than that.
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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2015, 04:43:37 am »
Hi,


here is some Fokker civil airliner projects,the F.XVII variants,F.XXI clearer drawing,F.XXXVII
with its data and F.56 also with its data.


Fokker Commercial Aircraft.  From the F.I. of 1918 up to the Fokker 100 of Today

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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2015, 05:16:50 am »
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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2017, 05:27:46 am »
Hi,

here is a drawings to Fokker F.XXXVII and F.XXIII.
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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2017, 05:46:20 am »
Its surprising how similar these look to Armstrong-Whitworth projects. So often designers came up with the same solution to meet customers' requirements

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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2017, 06:16:32 am »
There was some communication between Fokker and Armstrong Whitworth on aircraft development.
Quote from "Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft since 1913" by Oliver Tapper, Putnam 1973 on the design of the A.W. XV Atalanta:
 
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The four 340 hp Double Mongoose were positioned on the leading edge of the wing and carefully faired into the wing profile. Lloyd remembers discussing this feature with Anthony Fokker who expressed the opinion that radial engines on the leading edge might be all right, but he wouldn't like to be the first to try it.
John Lloyd - A.W. chief designer.
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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2017, 11:36:33 am »
Lloyd would have been confident with the engine layout, he had tested it in the company's wind tunnel and similar studies had been done earlier by the NPL. I'm not sure why Fokker would have had doubts

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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2017, 12:32:50 pm »
During the 20s and early 30s  Fokker was not the most innovative of companies. The point is, John Lloyd and Anthony Fokker were *discussing* aircraft design. As to your remark about the similarities between Fokker and Armstrong Whitworth airliners - that struck me too.
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Re: Fokker Civil Projects
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2017, 01:09:45 pm »
I agree with my dear Arjen.