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Offline PlanesPictures

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Supermarine 4040
« on: March 11, 2007, 11:05:54 am »
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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 03:43:17 pm »
Wow !  ;D


It looks a littlle like the Lockheed prototype from the 50's  :)

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2007, 04:50:47 pm »
Wow is right. You absolutely amaze me. It's so good to see your art again. Thanks.

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2007, 02:52:12 am »
Awesome!!! What the hell was this project ? a VTOL piston-powered fighter ?  :o
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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2007, 01:42:59 pm »
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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2007, 10:50:05 pm »
It certainly has a look similar to the Lockheed XFV-1:



Please tell me if this was a real project and if so are there any details?

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2007, 10:56:11 am »
This is a real Supermarine project.
The concept was proposed in the Supermarine
Technical Report No.4040 of 26 February 1944.

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2007, 11:51:10 am »
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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2007, 01:31:59 am »
Awesome !!!  :o (pics and aircraft!!)

It's the first time I heard of a VTOL aircraft with a piston engine... what engine was it ? A 3000+ hp RR Eagle ?
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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2007, 06:04:32 am »
I hoping PlanesPictures tells us that it would have used the RR Crecy (all 5000 hp of it)  ::)
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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2007, 11:30:31 am »
Cooler problem

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2007, 05:32:09 pm »
At least without the Allison T40, it would have a chance.

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2007, 06:57:20 am »
Fatal problem

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2015, 10:40:03 pm »
Awesome. But that last picture, "Fatal Problem" reminded me of my first springtime sortie into back yard with the lawnmower today........

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2018, 01:08:25 pm »
The archivists at Solent Sky have just located some preliminary sketches and calculations from 1944 that appear to be early thoughts for Clifton's Technical Note 4040. Of course this was never a project or even truly a concept, just a note to show that it was theoretically possible to acheive vertical flight with a RR Griffon. Images on their Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=solent%20sky%20museum

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2018, 02:12:11 pm »
The Solent sky museum site appears to be down, shame.

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2018, 03:06:14 pm »
Supermarine Technical Report No.4040, 26 February 1944
...'excuse me mister, is that plane for real'...!!!

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2018, 03:07:14 pm »
from Solent Sky Supermarine archive ...
...'excuse me mister, is that plane for real'...!!!

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2018, 12:32:22 am »
The Solent sky museum site appears to be down, shame.


Seems to be OK

https://www.facebook.com/solentskymuseum/

Clifton's sketches posted on 7th May

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2018, 04:52:29 am »
Another facefaq  event, shame but I will not go there due to the incessant demand that I sign up.  Not a chance in hell.

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2018, 06:08:47 am »
That's fair enough but it does not stop you viewing material the museum has posted there. A quick click on 'not now' and away you go.

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2018, 06:45:56 am »
Amazing find my dear TsrJoe.

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2018, 01:15:31 pm »
 Clifton started with the small 200hp concept and used that as the starting point for three larger concepts powered by a 2500hp engine (Griffon or Sabre, I guess). These were a fighter weighing 8750lb,

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Re: Supermarine 4040
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2018, 04:13:41 am »
PlanesPictures,

Beautiful and stunning work.  Well done.

The VTOL prop planes with the pilot flying on his back never progressed because trying to land was extremely difficult.  Landing an aircraft straight ahead is never routine, and these tail-sitters made landings dangerous even at a good landing pad.  Lockheed's VTOL Test Pilot Fish Salmon was a close friend of my Dad's. I discussed the Lockheed VTOL with Dad in the 1980's after I'd started flying, and Fish had said that looking down over his shoulder and judging everything he needed to was just impossible.  Landing one of these at an unprepared field likely would have been a disaster. 

Bravo from Texas.