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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #960 on: March 08, 2018, 06:54:55 am »
All that work that Northrop Grumman did with the X-47B, both taking on fuel and carrier operations, who owns that, the DoD or NG?  If the DoD I wonder how much of that they could port over to this to save time in the event it wins.

NG owns the TDPs* for most of what was done with X-47B. The Navy owns the data that resulted from the demonstrations.

* IIRC, software data rights were to have been purchased under UCLASS. Who knows how far they got before it was canned.
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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #961 on: March 08, 2018, 08:42:21 am »
The others were posted in high res, but here is the missing one in high res too.
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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #962 on: March 08, 2018, 01:44:28 pm »
Too late to post a summary:
Source and Link (Paywall): http://aviationweek.com/aviation-week-space-technology/boeing-s-play-mq-25-stingray

Thx for sharing those pics!

Interesting revelations:

"In an exclusive interview with Aviation Week, Boeing Phantom Works MQ-25 program director Don “BD” Gaddis revealed that the T-1 prototype now being tested at Boeing’s military aircraft plant in St. Louis was actually rolled out in November 2014 but was kept hidden from public view until now"

“Going back to Uclass, tanking was part of the design space. It was a mission we designed into this airplane,” Gaddis explains. “This airplane can meet all of the requirements, with substantial margin. We are in a really good spot.”

Actually, multiple members already suspected all of this (see below). The only "revelation" is that Boeing is publicly admitting to reusing a design built vehicle from a different (terminated) program.

What will be interesting to see in the end if Boeing wins, will they spit out warmed over UCLASS vehicles or go back to the drawing board with with a purpose built MQ-25 tanker.

Lockheed has publicly stated they dropped their UCLASS Sea Ghost for a clean sheet MQ-25.

This will be interesting to watch unfold.

I suspect it's the reverse.  They started work on this design when UCLASS still had a strike and ISR role and some stealth.  Then the Navy descoped the requirement to CBARS and Boeing was faced with an unpleasant choice -- either go back to another clean sheet design more optimized for the tanker mission without stealth, or keep their UCLASS design and just de-emphasize stealth in the construction process (hence, no sawtooth access panels, for example).  They went with the latter, and hope that the potential to restore LO features later will be worth something.

TomS gets a gold star. B)

The original UCLASS RFP date was  fall 2014.

UCLASS RFP Delayed Again.
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The final request for proposal (RFP) for the Navy’s planned carrier-based unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) has been delayed pending a review of the service’s information, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) portfolio as part of the service’s budget process this fall, Navy officials told USNI News on Friday afternoon.

Why was Boeing so upset when UCLASS was delayed in 2014, 2015 and eventually terminated in 2016?

Boeing To Pentagon: Be Careful When You Pause IRAD Programs

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PARIS: The Pentagon’s decision to pause as it reconsiders what path to pursue with the drone fighter known as UCLASS prompted Boeing to send a warning note today that the US military had better keep its commitments if it wants companies to invest their own money in new technologies.

Asked about the program today, Boeing’s Chris Raymond noted pointedly that his company “had spent a lot of time, and frankly, a lot of money on UCLASS over the years. We were — in our minds — in a great place,” he told reporters at a briefing in the company’s headquarters near the Elysee Palace, where French President Francois Hollande lives. “It was disappointing to see them pause.”

http://breakingdefense.com/2015/06/boeing-to-pentagon-be-careful-when-you-pause-irad-programs/

I'm not sure what part of "blowing the dust off the UCLASS vehicle in storage the last few years " some people don't understand?  This vehicle was probably fully designed and possibly mostly built before there even was a MQ-25 program.

Boeing resurrected the partially built X-45C as Phantom Ray a couple of years later, why wouldn't they do the exact smae with their UCLASS?

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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #963 on: March 08, 2018, 03:18:54 pm »
But NG has walked away from this competition so that's a moot point.  It would appear, based on this and walking away from the T-X as well, that B-21 is getting their full and undivided attention.  If they can get that done without the missteps Lock-Mart and Boeing have had on their bigger ticket projects, all the better for them. 

Enjoy the Day! Mark

B-21 and perhaps NGAD?

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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #964 on: March 08, 2018, 03:23:45 pm »
But NG has walked away from this competition so that's a moot point.  It would appear, based on this and walking away from the T-X as well, that B-21 is getting their full and undivided attention.  If they can get that done without the missteps Lock-Mart and Boeing have had on their bigger ticket projects, all the better for them. 

Enjoy the Day! Mark

B-21 and perhaps NGAD?

I wonder if NG are still cranking out RQ-180s or if not many were built.

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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #965 on: March 08, 2018, 03:44:22 pm »
But NG has walked away from this competition so that's a moot point.  It would appear, based on this and walking away from the T-X as well, that B-21 is getting their full and undivided attention.  If they can get that done without the missteps Lock-Mart and Boeing have had on their bigger ticket projects, all the better for them. 

Enjoy the Day! Mark

B-21 and perhaps NGAD?

I wonder if NG are still cranking out RQ-180s or if not many were built.

I'd forgotten about that.  That would be a Palmdale build as well I expect?



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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #966 on: March 12, 2018, 10:33:30 pm »
New photos:

Note in particular how the seams of the ailerons are blended - flexible / morphing skin, or just a flexible seal strip?

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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #967 on: March 13, 2018, 04:59:25 am »
New photos:

Note in particular how the seams of the ailerons are blended - flexible / morphing skin, or just a flexible seal strip?

Looks like the same things the F-22 and F-35 use.
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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #968 on: March 13, 2018, 11:21:48 am »
New photos:
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Source at Twitter: https://twitter.com/defense_news/status/973525458317991936
In a few days Ms Valerie Insinna will published an article at Defence News.
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Go read James' story, then head to @defense_news in a couple days and read mine. We have different takes! For now enjoy pretty drone photos.
Twitter: https://twitter.com/ValerieInsinna/status/973531239817859072
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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #969 on: March 13, 2018, 11:56:38 am »

I wonder if NG are still cranking out RQ-180s or if not many were built.

There has been nothing to substantiate that any were ever built or that there was ever any such program.

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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #970 on: March 13, 2018, 02:40:47 pm »

I wonder if NG are still cranking out RQ-180s or if not many were built.

There has been nothing to substantiate that any were ever built or that there was ever any such program.

Yes there was being as an Air Force senior member actually referred to in a talk some years back.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20900.msg223807.html#msg223807


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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #971 on: March 13, 2018, 04:21:53 pm »

I wonder if NG are still cranking out RQ-180s or if not many were built.

There has been nothing to substantiate that any were ever built or that there was ever any such program.

Yes there was being as an Air Force senior member actually referred to in a talk some years back.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20900.msg223807.html#msg223807

It wasn't in the talk; it was an inference made by the journalist.
The sum total of actual evidence for it is zero.

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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #973 on: March 20, 2018, 12:23:46 am »
Next week we will know more from 'Aviation Leak'.
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Enter the Aquarium: On Monday, March 26, @AviationWeek will exclusively reveal @LockheedMartin Skunk Works’ MQ-25 proposal for the @USNavy’s Stingray competition. Rob Weiss: "We're going out strong, we’re going out confident, and we’re playing to win." @SeaAirSpace #SAS2018 Link: https://t.co/X5BBBTNv4P
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Re: US Navy’s UCLASS / CBARS / MQ-XX / MQ-25 Stingray Program
« Reply #974 on: March 20, 2018, 02:49:42 am »
The others were posted in high res, but here is the missing one in high res too.

Thx for the pic... It seems that part of the nose gear comes from the Super Hornet.