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Mig-31 "Firefox"
« on: March 06, 2007, 07:45:01 am »
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Yes folks, i mean the movie with Clint Eastwood!  :)

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2007, 05:43:12 am »
Yes, brilliant ! ;D

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2007, 06:09:51 am »
... then take a look here:

My scratchbuilt Mig-31 Firefox project, ongoing progress of tooling patterns ... from "Wbnemo1"

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=54597


... even if I think the first pictures are "off-line" !

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2007, 01:02:33 am »
Big work  :o

Thanks for the link Deino  :)

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2008, 09:03:34 am »
Firefox variants studied for the movie
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2008, 09:59:57 am »
One of my favorite movies....

At that time I was a kid but really amazed by the "Firefox", I also remember (back in 1984) of a really hot arcade based upon the movie and utilizing the scenes with a techique called "laser-film" (anything would mean.....).

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 11:25:33 am »
Looking at the nose of the aircraft it makes you wonder what the USAF/Lockheed thought about that seeing how the movie came out six years before they revealed the F-117.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 03:31:10 pm »
Strange thing is parts of the design of Firefox do make sense. Its just the whole together is clearly a piece of fantasy designed to 'look good'.

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2008, 05:41:40 pm »
Strange thing is parts of the design of Firefox do make sense. Its just the whole together is clearly a piece of fantasy designed to 'look good'.

Obviously, but you have to wonder if that nose raised some eyebrows as at the time "stealth" generally meant smooth curves and rounded edges in the press.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 03:47:12 am »
have you guys read firefox down?

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 03:02:33 am »
ı have both books .

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 05:57:26 pm »
Apparently the producers of Firefox wanted to use live Swedish AJ37 Viggens as the two “MiG-31 Firefox” prototypes. They were in negotiations with the Swedish air force and government but the deal fell through.

Obviously some Swedish airbase surrounded by Pine Trees and live Viggens painted in red stars flying over Nordland snow would have looked fantastic in the film. Most people wouldn’t have no idea what a Viggen was making the experience even better.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2009, 05:48:42 am »
Apparently the producers of Firefox wanted to use live Swedish AJ37 Viggens as the two “MiG-31 Firefox” prototypes. They were in negotiations with the Swedish air force and government but the deal fell through.

Obviously some Swedish airbase surrounded by Pine Trees and live Viggens painted in red stars flying over Nordland snow would have looked fantastic in the film. Most people wouldn’t have no idea what a Viggen was making the experience even better.
Well, who wants their plane to be on the "bad" side? Could confuse possible "foreign" buyers too.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2009, 07:21:53 am »
It is time for a remake. I am preparing a movie treatment for "Firedragon". Lucy Liu and Jet Li to star as two American agents sent to China to steal the "Firedragon" J-118XX hypersonic stealth bomber. Lots of martial arts and great opportunities for special effects.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2009, 07:36:10 am »
I'm glad they didn't use the Viggen.The design they did use,was much superior,even if it was fake.

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2009, 08:36:55 am »
It is time for a remake.

A sentiment that needs to be stomped down on rather more in Hollywood. Most movies *don't* need to be remade.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2009, 10:46:16 am »
Hi,

also MiG-31 Firefox.

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2009, 11:31:45 am »
I don't know what you fellows think of the song "Painkiller" by Judas Priest, but this video clip comprises most of the Firefox flying sequences in the film created by John Dykstra's Apogee Productions. The film had cutting edge special effects in 1982 employing a new technique named "Reverse" or "negative" blue screen. If I remember correctly, then current blue screen special effects technology could not be used with black painted miniatures.

Alas, I wish that I hadn't given away my copies of American Cinematographer before a move several years ago. American Cinematographer (September 1982) stated that some of the aerial plate footage was shot over Idaho in a Learjet. Unfortunately, they did not specify which region of Idaho. I don't recall if the article mentioned where aerial plate footage was shot for the Arctic ice floe sequences. IMDb mentions that Thule Air Base, Qaanaaq, Greenland was a filming location for the film.



"Making of Firefox" documentary that is also on the DVD version of the film:



First appearance of the MiG-31 Firefox in the film, Maurice Jarre used synthesizers in his motion picture scores during the period.



Link to images of a completed 1/48 scale model Firefox by Studio 2 Models:
http://page.freett.com/stzip/mig31.htm

I really like the Japanese poster artwork for the film. The fictional NASA Dryden Flight Research Center image and data sheet gave me a chuckle. I also included the publicity photograph of the two Firefox prototypes in combat that made me believe that the Firefox had laser weapons before I saw the film in 1982.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2009, 11:48:09 am »
incredibly the Aircraft fly scene were made with modern Stop motion Cameras!

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It is time for a remake.

REMAKE A CLINT EASTWOOD MOVIE ?!

Eastwood movie are Timeless, that is Wat you get with Remake...

(sorry had no Lego version of Firefox...)

One Moment ! steal a hypersonic stealth bomber from ... China ?
oh boy is the U.S. Tech so baaad ?!
or is this a Michael Bay Movie ?  ;D  ;D  ;D
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2009, 12:54:33 pm »
Maybe they would use one of these in the remake, Michel?  ;)

Special Effects Supervisor John Dykstra said in the American Cinematographer article that although the Firefox had a convincing and dramatic design, it had the aerodynamics of a brick.

The Hind gunships shown in the Kirov-class battlecruiser sequences were flying R/C models.

The full-scale Firefox prop was constructed at Apogee Productions in Van Nuys, CA. Propane burners from hot air balloon were inside the full-scale prop for engine effects on set.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2009, 12:58:59 am »
Has anyone got a decent 3-view line drawing of the Firefox?

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2009, 01:15:00 am »
Another take in 1/32 and the U.S. 're-mix' (out on the workbench, a USN carrier-version)......

http://infinityreach.multiply.com/photos/album/10/MiG-31F-62_Phase_II

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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2009, 01:17:52 am »
"There is a tendency in our planning to confuse the unfamiliar with the improbable." Thomas Schelling

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2009, 01:29:52 am »
the full scale "Firefox"
was build from the framework of an old radio tower !
covert with panels from plywood
for taxiing around it had a Volkswagen motor mounted internally with a chain-driven rear wheel
and 2 Propane burners from hot air balloon were inside for engine effects on set.

so build hollywood aircraft  ;D
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2009, 01:22:09 am »
Looking at the nose of the aircraft it makes you wonder what the USAF/Lockheed thought about that seeing how the movie came out six years before they revealed the F-117.


Funny - that's exactly what I thought about the faceting of the forward fuselage!

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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2009, 01:27:02 am »

[/quote]Well, who wants their plane to be on the "bad" side? Could confuse possible "foreign" buyers too.[/quote]

Everyone knows that all the bad guys fly Northrop F-5E's in just about every modern movie!! ;D
Its called the MiG-21, MiG-23 oh and yes in Top Gun, its called the MiG-28

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2009, 01:49:54 am »
I think it somewhat ironic, that after watching the Youtube footage of Firefox, after say 10-years, and with the technology we have today. The use of rear-view CTV camera for rear view is both viable and usefull - and yet I do not know of any fighter/interceptor so-fitted with one!
I wounder why this is?
It makes perfect sense to me for assisting combat situation awareness!!
After all doesn't history clearly show that traditionally more aircraft have been shot down in air-to-air combat, without the victim even seeing the killer? 

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2009, 08:11:29 am »
incredibly the Aircraft fly scene were made with modern Stop motion Cameras!

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It is time for a remake.

REMAKE A CLINT EASTWOOD MOVIE ?!

Eastwood movie are Timeless, that is Wat you get with Remake...

(sorry had no Lego version of Firefox...)

One Moment ! steal a hypersonic stealth bomber from ... China ?
oh boy is the U.S. Tech so baaad ?!
or is this a Michael Bay Movie ?  ;D  ;D  ;D

I wonder why there is sound and dialogue from Robocop in the beginning and the end of the clip.  ???

Still cool, though. :D
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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2009, 10:33:21 am »
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other fictional aircraft :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_military_aircraft

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2009, 04:13:10 pm »
The SFX need to be remastered.
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2010, 01:57:24 am »
i did firefox from movie an version if it was mead know a days

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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox" / Craig Thomas RIP
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2011, 02:22:47 am »
Craig Thomas, who wrote the novel Firefox, has passed away at the age of 69.
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Link: BBC News - Techno thriller writer Craig Thomas died
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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2011, 09:23:34 am »
RIP.  :(
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Re: Mig-31 "Firefox"
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2019, 04:14:02 pm »
Images of the "MiG-31 Firefox" prop aircraft were recently posted by the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) Archives on the Flickr Commons, as part of the Robert Kemp Collection.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/albums/72157691203954561

Here it is under construction (appears to be the color photo of the image previously posted by Triton).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/47010448852


The finished article.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/47062738751


What appears to be a small-scale model for bluescreen chroma key footage.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/47062739691