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Tupolev post 1945 civil and military transport projects
« on: April 22, 2006, 01:34:54 pm »
Another technology that never progressed to the series production was the Tu-156

In Flight International 23-29 May 1990 we can read:

"Aeroflot is "sure" to buy the Tu-156 airliner (a derivative of the experimental Tu-155 shown at Hannover airshow. Tupolev is manufacturing the first of 5 prototypes to be completed by 1995. The NK-89 engines will burn methane initially, but later aircraft might use hydrogen."

April 2006...still burning fossil fuel at 75$/barrel. Brilliant! :o
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2006, 05:25:56 am »
Yeah, I think its great shame that so little progress has been made with LNG/LH2 propulsion for aircraft.
Tupolev had several proposals for such aircaft, up to the Tu-160V strategic bomber! Below are model pictures of Tu-156 and Tu-206 (based on Tu-204).

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2006, 11:49:39 am »
Tu-160V?. Totally new for me.

Could you please post some info and pics?

Thanks a lot!

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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2006, 01:29:05 pm »
Tu-160V?. Totally new for me.

Could you please post some info and pics?

No. ;D  They don't exist in public domain, as far as I know at least, unfortunately.  :(

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2006, 01:35:43 pm »
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2006, 03:25:56 pm »
Overscan,

I'm sorry


Meteorit,

Thanks a lot for the info

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2006, 04:23:04 pm »
They are extract from PDF or PPT presentation that's somwhere on my harddrive but lost among other 800 Gb of stuff. If I'll find it, I will send you info.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2006, 04:32:09 am »
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2006, 07:13:14 am »
Yeah, I think its great shame that so little progress has been made with LNG/LH2 propulsion for aircraft.
Tupolev had several proposals for such aircaft, up to the Tu-160V strategic bomber! Below are model pictures of Tu-156 and Tu-206 (based on Tu-204).

The Hydrogen Aircraft would not bring any environmental gain, less CO2 maybe, but that's all. The climatic effects are much more than just CO2, the net energy consumption would rise and the cost increase would be dramatic. The technical problems that have to be overcome before a passenger enters a certified hydrogen aircraft are enormuos.

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2006, 05:56:05 am »
The Hydrogen Aircraft would not bring any environmental gain, less CO2 maybe, but that's all.

Not only less CO2, but less NOx, soot, particles etc. Actually the only product would be H2O. However I do admit that at those altitudes even it is a problem, not even a small one actually.

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the net energy consumption would rise and the cost increase would be dramatic.

Using current power and hydrogen production technologies, yes. But I would envision large-scale use of hydrogen with electric power from fusion power plants and so forth. However that is still quite far in the future...

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The technical problems that have to be overcome before a passenger enters a certified hydrogen aircraft are enormuos.

And that's why some effort should be put into solving those problems already now.  :)

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2006, 09:13:08 am »
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The technical problems that have to be overcome before a passenger enters a certified hydrogen aircraft are enormuos.

And that's why some effort should be put into solving those problems already now

I agree, there is no future for cowards ;)

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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2006, 08:38:36 am »
Tupolev cryogenic program overview, Tu-206 and Tu-136
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2006, 04:54:42 pm »
Tupolev cryogenic program overview, Tu-206 and Tu-136

The most interesting part of your post is Tupolev-cryo.jpg, which shows profiles of the Tu-130, Tu-230 and Tu-330 transport aircraft.

The Tu-130 is a sort of Russian CN-235, while the Tu-230 is the Tupolev equivilent to the Il-214/MTA. 

Periodically, the Tu-330 is still mentioned as a replacement for the moribund An-70.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2006, 05:28:30 pm »
While they seems quite usual I think that unusual thing behind them that they are designed by guys with average salary of 200-300 bucks per month.
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2006, 10:04:47 am »
BTW, GenDyn experts found that Tupolev's model shop creation design quite plausable :) I wonder what GRU analytics would conclude about, say, Monogram's Orient Express kit ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2006, 05:53:30 pm »
Flateric that looks very similar tothe Convair Trijet 1971.

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2012, 05:02:48 am »
Hi,


here is the Tupolev transport projects;


Tu-101  assault transport project.
Tu-102  passenger transport twin engined aircraft project.
Tu-111  24-seat passenger transport project.
Tu-184  jet airliner project.




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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2012, 04:20:02 am »
Hi,


here is some Tupolev transport and business aircraft projects;


 1) Tu-20    two pusher turboprop business aircraft,designed with co-operation of
                  the Yakovlev company.
 2) Tu-118  a turboprop version of Tu-117,as military cargo aircraft.
 3) Tu-400  10-passenger business jet aircraft
 4) Tu-424  30-passenger aircraft developed from Tu-414 (no drawing).

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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2013, 01:32:56 am »
The Tupolev Tu-115 (Tu-114VTA?) was military cargo project version of Tu-114 passenger transport.
It was under consideration to fulfill the role ultimately taken on by the Antonov An-22 .
 
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Military Transport Giant - An-22 Antei by Nikolai Yakubovich (Eksmo 2013) ISBN 9785699632015

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2013, 01:46:13 am »
The above image tied in nicely with this image I have had for some time (unknown origin)...

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2013, 08:12:33 am »
Tu-230 inboard profiles:

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2015, 01:24:16 pm »
While they seems quite usual I think that unusual thing behind them that they are designed by guys with average salary of 200-300 bucks per month.


So weird,


I have the same drawing from Kryl'ya Rodine 1/2003,as a Tu-334 aircraft ?!.

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2015, 02:22:42 pm »
That's not weird, because this is Tu-334-100 aka Tu-330 on your drawing.
That's NOT Tu-230 which has twice as low MTOW as Tu-330.
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2015, 08:18:11 am »
Обозначение [/ размер][/color] [/ COLOR] [/ размер] Ту-[/color] [/ COLOR] [/ размер] 334[/color] [/ COLOR] [/ размер][/color] [/ COLOR] [/ размер] не является правильным.[/color] [/ COLOR] [ / размер] Из этого источника следует этот проект имеет обозначение Ту-204-330 (старое обозначение Ту-330). Имеет высокую степень унификации конструкции (75%) с семьей Ту-204/214. [/ COLOR]
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2015, 08:20:57 am »
Thank you my dears Flateric and Igor.

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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2015, 02:50:58 pm »
Model of Tupolev Tu-424 found on eBay. Real?

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According to the inscription is probably the TU-424
TU-424 is the next upgrading TU-324 and TU-414.
All of these aircraft did not go into a series (not produced).
TU-324 was established a working layout.

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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2016, 06:39:56 am »
From Авиация и космонавтика 3/2009,

here is a Tupolev Tu-334 Projects.

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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2016, 05:40:04 am »
Hi,

the Tu-164 (First allocated) was a Tu-134 with a new fuselage airliner Project of 1967,powered by
two D-30 engines.

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2016, 04:17:10 am »
Hi,

the Tu-164 (First allocated) was a Tu-134 with a new fuselage airliner Project of 1967,powered by
two D-30 engines.

Here it's.

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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2016, 04:44:42 am »
Hi,

here is a 3-view to early Tu-164 and Tu-184.

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2016, 05:32:02 am »
Is this "TU-164" effectively a shortened TU-154 fuselage with the wings/empennage/engines of a TU-134?

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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2016, 07:13:58 am »
Is this "TU-164" effectively a shortened TU-154 fuselage with the wings/empennage/engines of a TU-134?

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No my dear Caravellarella,

it was developed in 1960s from Tu-134,and there is no relationship between the recently Tu-154.

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« Reply #32 on: November 27, 2016, 02:18:42 am »
Is this "TU-164" effectively a shortened TU-154 fuselage with the wings/empennage/engines of a TU-134?


No (while it would be practical, I think). Tu-164 project had fuselage diameter 3.3 m, while Tu-154 had 3.8 m (Tu-134 - 2.9 m).
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« Reply #33 on: November 27, 2016, 05:52:09 am »
'Unflown Wings' has a relatively large entry on the Tu-164.
To paraphrase; began mid-1960s as a 'small' airbus based on Tu-134 with two D-30 turbofans with a wide 3.3m fuselage for 83-93 passengers. Routes were to be 1-3,000km. Specs are given for the 1968 version.
By the early 1970s the Tu-164 became a Tu-134M airbus with three D-30 Srs 2 (later Srs 3) for 125-152 passengers over 1,700km. Used Tu-154 fuselage (3.8m) married to Tu-134A wings of greater area with leading edge root extensions and improved high-lift devices.
Then it evolved again into a 120-130 seat (80 in a 'destretched' version) twin-engine design with a range of 1,700km (500-700km for 80-seat version). It retained high commonality with Tu-134 and was planned to fly it in 1974 and begin production in 1975. By then was in parallel with Tu-184 studies.

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« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2016, 03:30:31 pm »
Hi,

there was two Tu-184 and two Tu-194,Tu-184/I was a twin engined airliner with 140-160 passenger
of early 1970sand powered by with two D-30KP engines,Tu-184/II was a three engined airliner of late
1970s,with 200-220 seat,powered by three D-18 engines.

The Tu-194 twin engined airliner for 116 passenger of 1973,and powered by two D-30A engine,and
the Tu-194 three engined airliner,powered by three D-18 engines.

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« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2016, 08:54:27 am »
Some projects:

Low Boom SSBJ


330-seat BWB passenger jet.

via UAC https://www.facebook.com/UAC.RUSSIA/videos/1526905047324739

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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2016, 03:59:13 am »
Wow,great find,welcome aboard TSARb.

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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2016, 10:19:32 am »
I like the Tupolev Blended Winged Body passenger jet design.  Let's hope that Tupolev get the funding to build it.  B)

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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2017, 05:43:57 am »
Hi! Tu-134 SST. (Sorry perhaps it's not a military transport.)

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Arts/Art2725.htm

Model pictures by Triton-san.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3126.30.html

"This early 60-s project aircraft was under development in department of S.Eger in OKB Tupolev.Based on bomber project Tu-106 with two NK6 engines." 

Tu-106.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,850.msg299778.html#msg299778
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« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2017, 03:11:23 am »
Hi! Tu-107.

http://alldrawings.ru/risunki/item/%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2-%D1%82%D1%83-104-%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8-%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0

Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-107
"The Tupolev Tu-107 was a prototype Soviet military transport aircraft developed from the Tupolev Tu-104. It featured a rear ramp loading door and was intended to carry light vehicles, artillery pieces, or up to 70 paratroopers. The fuselage was unpressurized, which meant that passengers would have to use oxygen masks. A single prototype was built and flown, but the aircraft was not put in production."

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww4/f/727/1/0

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/craft/tu107.html

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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2017, 04:46:37 am »
Hi! Tu-110.
http://nlo-mir.ru/tech/51010-jeksportnyj-variant-tu104.html
"The international requirements for reliability were very strict: in particular, the aircraft flying over the waters should have a power plant of at least four engines. At the end of 1955, a new modification of Tu-104, which received a "110" (Tu-110) aircraft, was started in the KB.
After the commencement of the factory tests of the experienced Tu-104 in the KB, it was decided to design an alternative power-plant option of four turbojet smaller rods than the AM-3. To some extent, this was due to the possible prospects for the export of the aircraft outside the USSR and the CMEA countries. The KB proposal was supported in the Government, and on 12 August 1955 the Council of Ministers of the USSR issued a Decree No. 1511-846, which instructed the KB to design and build on the Tu-104 passenger aircraft with four turbojet type al-7. The aircraft was to have a flight-technical data close to the characteristics of the Tu-104."

"An experienced "110" aircraft in the late 1950s was extensively under four D-Systems engines and then under D-20 for the air selection system for the FS system (the 1-to-one-in-a-p). The three serial Tu-110a in 1960 were also set up by Dr. Systems, at which they were tested and made up of the Tu-124. With the engines of Dr. Systems, 110A was given the most. In the future, these machines were used as flying laboratories to test various electronic equipment. In addition to these works in 1960, a similar upgrade for the Tu-110 was proposed at the same time as the start of the 124a(2) with engines in the tail of the fuselage. The project was 110d, but unlike the 124a(2), which became a serial Tu-134, this work was not further developed."

What is the middle drawing?
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« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2017, 06:22:32 pm »
Hi! Tu-184, Tu-134D and Tu-334 models.

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/172879.html
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« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2017, 06:45:12 pm »
Tu-414 model and Tu-124B model.
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« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2017, 05:50:39 am »
Hi! Tu-136 models. I can see large fuel tanks behind the engine.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/tu-136.htm
"The second Tu-130 was a short-range civilian transport project terminated in development stage. Later developments included Tu-136 Project, another short-range civilian transport that was an advanced development of the Tu-130 with cryogenic liquid natural gas fuel engines. A Tu-136 model was successfully tested at TsAGI. This was the third time the Tu-136 designator had been used, which was previously applied to totally un-related [and un-built] VSTOL fighter project and a spaceplane project."
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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2017, 05:55:44 pm »
Model of Tupolev Tu-130 circa 1993

Source:
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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2017, 06:21:08 pm »
Model of Tupolev Tu-230

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https://lib.rus.ec/b/280155/read
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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2017, 07:14:31 am »
Model of Tupolev Tu-230

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https://lib.rus.ec/b/280155/read

Is the Tu-230 getting built or is it still on the design stages?

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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2017, 08:58:08 am »
Model of Tupolev Tu-230

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https://lib.rus.ec/b/280155/read

Is the Tu-230 getting built or is it still on the design stages?
It seems to me that the Il-214 will be filling the role.

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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2017, 11:57:20 am »
Model of Tupolev Tu-230

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https://lib.rus.ec/b/280155/read

Is the Tu-230 getting built or is it still on the design stages?
It seems to me that the Il-214 will be filling the role.

A shame that, but it is a good idea to have Ilyushin involved in new design's too, otherwise they would end up going under.