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Offline Avimimus

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1110 on: February 07, 2019, 03:41:48 pm »
Hmm... there is also a five sided object on the tail... maybe a Russian version of the Supersonic Bidirectional Flying Wing?? ;)

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1111 on: February 08, 2019, 12:43:29 am »
Hmm... there is also a five sided object on the tail... maybe a Russian version of the Supersonic Bidirectional Flying Wing?? ;)
Probably nuclear powered stealth VTOL bomber. Will resemble UFO until spotted, after that will make "KIROV REPORTING" sound...

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1112 on: February 08, 2019, 04:04:46 am »
Wish there is more about maturity of the N036/Sh-121 sets.  I wonder if they will use more modern module with larger transmit power.

. Switching to tiled module however seems unlikely as that may involve more work in terms of coolings and possibly need to compensate change of weight.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1113 on: February 08, 2019, 04:20:28 am »
Hmm... there is also a five sided object on the tail... maybe a Russian version of the Supersonic Bidirectional Flying Wing?? ;)
Probably nuclear powered stealth VTOL bomber. Will resemble UFO until spotted, after that will make "KIROV REPORTING" sound...

KIROVs are never reported.  They're invisible.
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1114 on: March 01, 2019, 11:03:04 pm »
UAC Journal

"Twist" aerobatics! The secrets of supermaneuverability of the last generations


https://uacrussia.livejournal.com/85113.html

Yury Slyusar: Russian VKS will receive the first production Su-57 this year


https://uacrussia.livejournal.com/84919.html

- How is the work on the Su-57 program? Does this plane have prospects in India?


- During the Army-2018 forum, we signed two contracts with the Ministry of Defense for the manufacture and supply of fifth-generation Su-57 multi-function fighter jets and MiG-35 multi-purpose aviation complexes. The first production aircraft Su-57 will enter the VKS this year. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Russia stressed then that the VKS in the near future plans to receive 15 serial machines. At the end of last year, flight tests of the Su-57 with the engine of the second stage began in Zhukovsky.

We have repeatedly said that we are open to working with India on this program. India is traditionally Russia's largest partner in the aircraft industry. This applies both to the supply of various types of Russian equipment to the Indian market, and joint production programs. Within the framework of the Make in India format, our Indian colleagues consistently develop the industrial potential of key sectors of the economy, including aircraft construction. This is an important opportunity and a niche for KLA. We know and understand this market well, we have traditionally open and constructive relations with key Indian partners that have been established over the years. I think that the ways of mutually beneficial cooperation and on the fifth generation aircraft will be found.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1115 on: March 01, 2019, 11:40:47 pm »
Finally a production. Full with RAM i guess. and hopefully a pair of izd-30 engine.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1116 on: March 02, 2019, 12:05:41 am »
with RAM and without Izd.30 so far
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stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1117 on: March 03, 2019, 01:36:36 am »
with RAM and without Izd.30 so far

Should it matter if Izd 30 comes late , With 117 Engine it should still supercruise  and the engine disigner has mentioned that 117 has 80 % new components which makes it a new engine in itself.

New engine is good may be it can supercruise better , accelerate bit faster and with reduced stages may be they will have to re-calliberate the CG and FCS since the engine will be shorter due to reduced stages but  having dozen of aircraft with 117 engine would be a good start  and in winning export contracts.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1118 on: March 03, 2019, 02:09:36 am »
with RAM and without Izd.30 so far

Thanks.

I see, guess it's fine at the moment with 117. Looking forward for rolling ceremony :D

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1119 on: March 03, 2019, 05:33:10 am »
Only a couple of frames in the second contract ("LRIP1" being 2 frames and "LRIP2" being 13) are scheduled to have Izd.30. First frame planned for delivery this year and the second next year. Dunno if they plan to start deliveries from second contract in 2020 too.
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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1120 on: March 05, 2019, 12:37:08 am »
Viktor Bondarev: no one could surpass the combat capabilities of the Su-57

https://aviation21.ru/viktor-bondarev-boevye-vozmozhnosti-su-57-poka-prevzojti-nikto-ne-smog/

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Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security Viktor Bondarev in an interview with "News»I highly appreciated the technical, flight and combat characteristics of the Su-57 fighter.

According to him, the subtle, highly maneuverable, high-speed Russian fighter of the fifth generation, is able to escape from enemy attacks at supersonic speed without the use of a boost.“Not a single long-range radar detection aircraft is able to detect it, not a single anti-aircraft missile system to shoot down. At the same time, it can hit any targets both on the ground and in the air. On-board electronics helps the pilot to solve several tasks at the same time, to conduct an all-perspective battle with missiles of different range of destruction. The combat capabilities of this aircraft at this stage of industrial development could not be surpassed by anyone, ”said the chairman of the committee of the Federation Council.


He added that on board the Su-57 you can place the most modern precision weapons. Moreover, the current range of combat equipment is not finite. There are great opportunities for modernization, for development, Bondarev concluded.

As for the price, the senator admitted that, although it may be somewhat high, it fully justifies itself.

“We see the fate of countries that have saved on national defense and security. And even if some of them managed to preserve their sovereignty, like Syria, it is difficult to even imagine what fabulous money they have to spend now on rebuilding the country. Much larger than those that they
would have invested in equipping the army with better weapons, ”concluded the senator.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1121 on: March 05, 2019, 03:00:03 pm »
I think what's gonna keep Western planners up at night in the future will be less about the aircraft itself but the weapons it's able to carry and deploy

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1122 on: March 05, 2019, 05:52:00 pm »
I think what's gonna keep Western planners up at night in the future will be less about the aircraft itself but the weapons it's able to carry and deploy

I doubt any of that will keep Westeners up. Having a handful of semi-stealthy fighters could be a threat in a very limited area, but in terms of the overall force structure the only thing Russia has for the west to be concerned with are S-400's and nukes.

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1123 on: March 05, 2019, 07:40:29 pm »
It isn't a perfect airplane - but its development potential is something to take seriously:
- The 700 kg internal launchers do allow carrying ~300 km range BVR missiles with larger seeker diameters... so it may not need to carry an AAM-L to take on an AWAC, JSTAR, or Tanker...
- The networked radars of the Su-50s should make it much easier to pick up faint returns from stealth aircraft (effectively using the flight of four as a single larger antenna).

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Re: Sukhoi T-50 Su-50 PAK FA - flight testing and development Part II
« Reply #1124 on: March 05, 2019, 10:31:17 pm »
I think what's gonna keep Western planners up at night in the future will be less about the aircraft itself but the weapons it's able to carry and deploy
Not really, considering common belief in west that "but it's just barely stealthy!", "its avionics must be bad because they are russian" and "it was cancelled!".