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German helicopter prototypes and projects
« on: May 18, 2007, 04:23:09 am »
Hi,

The Wagner Roadable helicopter.
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Re: German helicopter prototypes and projects
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2007, 11:05:29 am »
Hi,

Who has a more info about Germany Dieter Zierath Z-1 which
was never completed ?.

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2007, 12:35:46 pm »
"More than one hour late on job, traffic jam on all flight levels and
absolutely no landing places in the city ! It was sheer terror !"
Perhaps we should be glad, that still yet all efforts to build a cheap
and easy to fly helicopter didn't come to fruition !
Here's the one from the german aerotechnik GmbH, built and flown
in 1969. Four rotors on movable arms, driven by BMW engine of 54 hp.
Flight control is achieved by tilting the individual arms, so eliminating
the need for cyclic control. With the arms folded, the heli could be
parked on an area of 1.98m x 2.18m, a two-seater was envisaged.
Nevertheless, the car in the background looks more attractive !    8)

(from FlugRevue .7.1969) 
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Re: German helicopter prototypes and projects
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 10:55:16 am »
VFW-Fokker concept from 1975.
I can't say, how the rotors mesh.
Found in Flug Revue, November 1975, page 7
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 04:40:00 pm »
New concept for VFW,


thank you for sharing my dear Fightingirish.

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Re: German helicopter prototypes and projects
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2013, 10:27:23 pm »
"... the concept reminds to the Fw 61.." the caption says. I rather think, it reminds to
the Flettner Fl282, as the Fw 61 had no intermeshing rotors.
 
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2013, 02:39:10 pm »
New to me is this Fluro Libelle helicopter of 1956. This two-seat ultra-light was built by Fluro (W. Schlieske, Helpup (L)), and was powered by three Schmidt-Argus jets fitted with afterburners (photo by Thomas Herminghaus).

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2014, 06:43:38 am »
New to me is this Fluro Libelle helicopter of 1956. This two-seat ultra-light was built by Fluro (W. Schlieske, Helpup (L)), and was powered by three Schmidt-Argus jets fitted with afterburners (photo by Thomas Herminghaus).


And from L + K.

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2014, 10:25:02 am »
 From the following site :http://www.stadtarchiv-heilbronn.de/publikationen/online_publikationen/heilbronnica_5/_files/qf20-15-seitz-merckle.pdf

 Walter Schlieske, former fighter pilot and engineer for the RLM, had started to build a “Flugroller”
(flying scooter),short “Fluro” in 1952. It should have a five bladed rotor, powered by a VW engine,
should be able to take off with a crew of two,reach a speed of 150 km/h  and cost around 4 to 5,000,-
DM, a real “olkshubschrauber” (peoples helicopter). That project actually triggered Karl Merckles
interest in this kind of aircraft and made him start his own company. Mr. Schlieske founded the
“FLUR-Flugroller and Hubschrauber Entwicklung” (FLUR flying scooter and helicopter development )
in Minden/Germany and built the Libelle, powered by a 100 ccm two-stroke engine and tip ramjets.
The small helicopter should cost 8,000,- DM for the single seat and 14,000,- for the twin seat variant,
Both built from aluminium tubing and bamboo ! But the claimed flight proved to have been faked,
the company was just bogus and Schlieske went to jail in 1957.
So, not really what we call a “project”, I’m afraid !
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2014, 11:27:59 am »
WOW, great Jemiba...
the M-101-GK on side 31 is absolutly fantastic... :-*

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Re: German helicopter prototypes and projects
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2016, 04:50:51 am »
Hi,

Mr. Havertz designed and built a five helicopter prototypes,from HZ-1 up to HZ-5,pages
48 & 49.

http://kulturserver-nds.de/home/hubtest/medien/Neg.Nr.GUN.pdf
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2016, 04:42:33 am »
Hi,

here is a strange single-seat very light helicopter prototype of 1959/60,the designer
called Heinz Schmidt,page 54;

http://kulturserver-nds.de/home/hubtest/medien/Neg.Nr.GUN.pdf
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2016, 04:50:01 am »
And from page 54 also;

there is anther unknown designer for me,Mr. Gerhard Siegel,I think he was from
Germany,and his mystery project ?.

http://kulturserver-nds.de/home/hubtest/medien/Neg.Nr.GUN.pdf
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2016, 05:51:54 am »
Hi,

Here is a compund helicopter Project,designed by DSH (Deutsche Studiengemeinschaft
Hubschrauber).

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Re: German helicopter prototypes and projects
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2016, 11:51:58 am »
Going way back, but the 'big gyro' in Reply #3 is a retouch of stock-standard H-34 SC+253 of MFG 5 (c/n 58-1569), later 80+81. Apparently, that airframe is now being parted out in South Africa.

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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2016, 12:05:02 pm »
Here is a compund helicopter Project,designed by DSH (Deutsche Studiengemeinschaft Hubschrauber).


An obvious Gyrodyne lookalike...

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Re: German helicopter prototypes and projects
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2016, 04:33:08 pm »
Austrian helicopters do not (yet) have a specific topic and are to be found in the Austrian aircraft topic for now:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20195.0.html

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Re: German helicopter prototypes and projects
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2019, 04:30:03 am »
Hi,

was there any more Info about Krauss TRS-111 helicopter of 1970 ?.

http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/krauss_trs-111.php

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2019, 05:37:06 am »
An autogyro, not a helicopter !
... and sometimes you'll find the designation "TRS-3", because three "1" can be read as a roman 3 ....
And we shouldn't forget Stingrays great list !

https://sites.google.com/site/stingrayslistofrotorcraft/krauss-trs-111
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2019, 06:52:00 am »
OK my dear Jemiba.

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2019, 07:27:35 am »
Fliegergruppe Kornwestheim
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2019, 08:07:51 am »
Fliegergruppe Kornwestheim (Krauss) TRS.1
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2019, 08:21:46 am »
Thank you, Maveric ! Maybe interesting:
Your post show the TRS.1 with the registration D-HOLY, whereas the aircraft in the Hubschraubermuseum Bückeburg
(helicopter museum Bückeburg) is registered as D-HOKY (photo via http://www.bredow-web.de/Hubschrauber/Krauss_Autogiro_TRS1_EN/krauss_autogiro_trs1_en.html)
It is said, that just one example was built, but why should the very accurate guys from the museum should have
changed the reg ? Perhaps there were two aircraft, after all ?
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2019, 08:49:23 am »
the webside of the Fliegergruppe Kornwestheim shows another example....
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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2019, 08:54:01 am »
and the Fliegergruppe Kornwestheim HRS.1
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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2019, 09:56:29 am »
Thank you, Maveric ! Maybe interesting:
Your post show the TRS.1 with the registration D-HOLY, whereas the aircraft in the Hubschraubermuseum Bückeburg
(helicopter museum Bückeburg) is registered as D-HOKY

Just a minor nit: I think Maveric's photos show D-HOCY.  The apparent "L" in "D-HOLY" is actually a rather square "C" with glare hiding the top section of the letter. 

There's another online picture saying that "D-HOKY" is indeed a mistake, and that this aircraft is actually D-HOCY as well.

https://www.planespotters.net/photo/176499/d-hocy-private-krauss-trs-1gyroflug


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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2019, 03:22:40 pm »
Amazing find my dears.

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2019, 04:40:41 am »
Can I ask if there was TRS-2 ?.

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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2019, 05:39:04 am »
I have no informations about TRS.2.
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