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Offline Grey Havoc

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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 01:14:35 am »
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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2013, 07:44:36 am »
Very brazen behavior from Chinese professional hackers during the 2009 - 2010 "Aurora" attacks against Google and Microsoft. One of the main targets seems to have been unveiling accounts under surveillance by FISA orders. I may be wrong but this seems to suggest that either the Chinese were under the impression that they could intrude the largest tech companies in the U.S. scot free and/or undetected, or that their standing humint (throughout academia, companies, etc.?) capacity in the U.S .is so large that compromised assets can be removed at no substantial risk to the whole espionage effort.

Washington Post: "Chinese hackers who breached Google gained access to sensitive data, U.S. officials say" (May 20th, 2013)

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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 01:21:08 pm »
Its going to be tough for this administration to take the high ground against Chinese hacking when  it's just been revealed you have vast mechanisms in place to watch your own people....

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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 02:04:34 pm »
But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2013, 04:18:40 pm »
But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
A couple of things. If you look at the slides it is called "prism". It's called that because they use a prism to split the fiber optic signals of the backbones and intercept EVERYTHING coming across it and not just one carrier.

Secondly, its hard to press the Chinese for being "Cyber-jerks" when it is just revealed you've "George Orwell'd" your own country...


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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2013, 09:18:07 am »
But monitoring e-mail on a public service carrier is quite different to penetrating security at company data servers.
A couple of things. If you look at the slides it is called "prism". It's called that because they use a prism to split the fiber optic signals of the backbones and intercept EVERYTHING coming across it and not just one carrier.

Secondly, its hard to press the Chinese for being "Cyber-jerks" when it is just revealed you've "George Orwell'd" your own country...

Indeed. And news out today seems to indicate that there was a concerted effort to penetrate the J-20 programme at CAC by placing people in the programme, as well as systematically hacking Chinese cyberspace over the last 15 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10124615/Chinas-state-media-says-extraditing-Edward-Snowden-would-be-unwise.html
 
If true, none of this is really a surprise though.
The only real surprise is that people seem to think it's only the Chinese at it.
 
People wouldn't be doing their jobs right if this didn't go on.
 

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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2013, 09:39:11 am »
But we're making it easy for the opposition because idiots like Army analysts post the names of their intel tools on Linkedin:

ANCHORY, AMHS, NUCLEON, TRAFFICTHIEF, ARCMAP, SIGNAV, COASTLINE, DISHFIRE, FASTSCOPE, OCTAVE/CONTRAOCTAVE, PINWALE, UTT, WEBCANDID, MICHIGAN, PLUS, ASSOCIATION, MAINWAY, FASCIA, OCTSKYWARD, INTELINK, METRICS, BANYAN, MARINA.

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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2013, 10:05:48 pm »
This is rather troubling. Did we lose our right to tell China to stop hacking? Not sure how we can tell them that without making us look like hypocrites. Also, has our government even denied any of Snowden's claims of our hacking yet?
« Last Edit: July 01, 2013, 10:08:21 pm by Radical »

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Re: Enter the cyber dragon....
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2013, 04:39:34 am »
China's cyber espionage is unacceptable. It's time for trade sanctions. Hit them where it hurts most.

Dismantling the opposing arguments:

(1) We do it too, so it's OK if they do it: They do it MORE - more frequent, more severe, and with more impact on our economy (loss of proprietary data). Since we are the ones with the technology, what exactly can we steal from them? Innovation is the lifeblood of America, and they are stealing our innovation. I strongly suspect that our spying on China is just good old fashioned "what are they up to" spying, rather than cyber theft.

(2) A trade war hurts everyone: Yes, but it doesn't hurt everyone equally. We buy from them. We are the customer. If we heavily tariff Chinese goods, then other supplier countries will expand their capacity to take up the slack. India, Malaysia, Mexico. There will be a period of pain until this occurs, though, but after that China is screwed and we are fine.

So let's hammer the Chinese with sanctions, and let the chips fall where they may.