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Offline vigair

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Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« on: March 09, 2011, 06:48:49 am »
I search pics drawings or data about this plane unknown to me, competitor of Nakajima j1n gekko.

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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 02:28:41 pm »
OK I will try. I have the complete list for all of the shi series aircraft.(fighters,bombers,recons)
I will make a English table. For example,
 
               type                                 NAME      Manufacture   Remark
13-shi   twin engine 3 seats fighter bomber         Mitsubishi   picture or drawings:unknown
   carrier fighter                                            Mitsubishi   declined
   twin engine land fighter                      J1N     Nakajima   GEKKO(月光)
   carrier bomber                                   D4Y       Kugisho   SUISEI(彗星)
   large land bomber                                   G5N      Nakajima   SHINZAN(深山)
   large flying boat                                   H8K    KAWANISHI   2-SHIKI
   small flying boat                                   H9A     AICHI               1-SHIKI TRAINING BOAT
   high speed land recon                            C4A1    AICHI     cancellation  Maveric wait a moment ;D
   small transport                                   L7P1    NIPPI     cancellation

I need more time to complete the table including other shi series aircrafts.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2011, 02:11:24 pm by blackkite »

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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 11:30:42 am »
Great blackkite. Thanks.

Do you have a drawing of the Aichi C4A1?

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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 11:36:51 am »
I read many years ago that mitsubishi planed to make the potez 631  under licence. perhaps this might have the basis of the 13shi proposal .

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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 12:27:26 pm »
The Nakajima J1N and the Mitsubishi project were the only
two answers for the two engined three seat plane.(13-Shi a 1938 three-seat
twin-engined long-range fighter)
The inspiration for this spec.was indeed found in the Potez 63.

 Source :Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War- R.J.Francillon-Putnam.

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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2018, 06:34:17 am »
The IJN wanted to buy a licence for Potez 631 C3 as 13-Shi twin-engined three-seater bomber-fighter aircraft but the negotiations were failure.
For the eventual machine for Japan designation Potez 638 was reserved. It was Mitsubishi to build the aircraft.
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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 05:12:33 am »
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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2018, 04:45:35 pm »
http://aviadesign.online.fr/pages/aichi-am20.htm  -   this is an Aichi C4A1

Are the aircraft listed in that website real, or really projected, or are they total fantasy and fake?
For example: http://aviadesign.online.fr/pages/brewster-bulldog.htm
Is it a real project?
Thank you!
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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2018, 09:55:46 pm »
http://aviadesign.online.fr/pages/aichi-am20.htm  -   this is an Aichi C4A1

Are the aircraft listed in that website real, or really projected, or are they total fantasy and fake?
For example: http://aviadesign.online.fr/pages/brewster-bulldog.htm
Is it a real project?
Thank you!
Best regards.

The website itself explains this:

This project as such is not exactly fictional. There was a real Japanese Navy 'C4' competition in 1938 that spawned an Aichi C4A proposal (model AM-20), and a wooden mock-up was even built before the design was cancelled in favor of the Mitsubishi C5M (a naval variant of the Army's Ki-15 "Babs").

As that aircraft has never been portrayed before, I attempted to imagine it by modifying an AM-19 "Jake" (E13A1) color profile and fitting various elements from an AM-17 "Val" (D3A2) such as the cockpit and landing gear (see original color profile below right).

Of course this is purely speculative and should not be taken seriously as it is only my vision of the aircraft and not based on actual facts.

It's speculative artwork of a real project.

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Re: Mitsubishi 13 shi heavy fighter
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 02:14:23 am »
All sources known to me state that the Aichi C4A1 project and its mock-up had to be equipped with retractable gear.
http://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/86363/Aici-C4A1-13-Si
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