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Offline hesham

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 02:57:14 pm »
Great work my dear Cy-27,


and for my dear Ucon,the SVVP-70 was a Bartini project,please see;


http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/korsvvp-70.html

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2013, 03:01:05 pm »
and for my dear Ucon,the SVVP-70 was a Bartini project,please see;


hesham
, please do NOT tell ucon what is right and what is wrong!!!

You are only an enthusiast and he is a writer and a Bartini specialist. You are making a fool of yourself!!!

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2013, 03:22:18 pm »
and for my dear Ucon,the SVVP-70 was a Bartini project,please see;


hesham
, please do NOT tell ucon what is right and what is wrong!!!

You are only an enthusiast and he is a writer and a Bartini specialist. You are making a fool of yourself!!!


Stargazer,I am not fool,if you see the link,you will find it as a great Russian site,and they
mentioned that SVVP-70 was a Bartini design,not me.

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2013, 03:42:46 pm »
Stargazer,I am not fool,if you see the link,you will find it as a great Russian site,and they
mentioned that SVVP-70 was a Bartini design,not me.

How many times will we be having this discussion? When will you understand that the fact of reading something on a website doesn't necessarily make it true?! The web is full of false data and we need to be cautious with the information we share, especially if we present it as fact.

Now if someone who has access to the WHOLE Bartini and Korchagyn archives says that the KOR-70 was NEVER a Bartini project, I will trust that person more than an amateur's website! And this is exactly what is happening here.

Remember my own website on Burt Rutan? I spent months verifying every bit of information, and yet Burt Rutan himself was said to be annoyed at a few mistakes he found on the site. It is VERY difficult not to make mistakes, and unless you can go to the source documents there is always a risk! So please be humble about this and accept criticism for a change.

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2013, 04:37:14 pm »
Stargazer,


that site is still working,you can ask its founder,about his source for that,and
here is anther mighty site,says the same thing.


http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/bartini/svvp/svvp70_e.htm

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2013, 05:14:43 am »
here is anther mighty site,says the same thing.
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/bartini/svvp/svvp70_e.htm

When a mistake is created on the web, it spreads like a poison. Just go and see how many websites give "Thunderwarrior" as the name of the XF-103, even now that we know this was pure invention from an author! You could give me two, ten or a hundred links saying the same thing, that is not good enough.

that site is still working,you can ask its founder,about his source for that

Are you saying that it's ME who ought to go and verify the information YOU posted??? You have got some cheek!

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2013, 05:49:21 am »

Are you saying that it's ME who ought to go and verify the information YOU posted??? You have got some cheek!


I am not saying that,but we must verify the sources for those sites,and I am asking my dear
Ucon,what is the story of this aircraft ?,that's to know who really designed it.

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2013, 09:57:47 am »
Hesham, looking at those two sites, I can see, that on both the name Bartini is mentioned, but actually he
isn't stated to be the designer of the Kor.SVVP-70 at all. ! What's the problem ?
And, hesham, you have the statements of TWO proven experts with regards to Soviet/Russian aviation !
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2013, 10:22:38 am »
OK my dear Jemiba,


and I wait its story from them,but many other Russian sites,spoke about this
aircraft,as a Bartini design,so we will wait the explanation for this.

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2013, 11:31:39 am »
we will wait the explanation for this

There is NO explanation! It is a mistake, period! Bartini and Korchagin didn't work together at all, and for a very specific reason which I can't reveal here now (it will be in the book...). Some people have wrongly associated the KOR-70 with Bartini because it kind of resembled his designs. Don't forget that precise information was scarce before the breakup of the Soviet Union.

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 11:40:23 am »
and I wait its story from them,but many other Russian sites,spoke about this
aircraft,as a Bartini design,so we will wait the explanation for this.
yes, Korchagin and other KOR-70 father, Berlin, were working at Bartini DB, but it was their initiative project and IT'S KNOWN AND PUBLISHED HERE SINCE 2001


damn, don't you see Kor.SVVP-70 VTOL floatplane by I.A.Berlin and V.A.Korchagin
more - it was Ucon and Zayarin, who have revealed KOR-70 story in details based on TANTK archives. are you seriously trying to question if they are right after reading tiny bits of info at some Swedish site?
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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2013, 02:50:56 pm »
OK my dear Flateric,


now I am convinced.

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Re: OKB Korchagin KOR-70, proposed Yak-38 alternative
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2018, 12:06:15 am »
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