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Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« on: December 04, 2006, 09:06:30 am »
Just some pictures.  Any information on it would be greatly appreciated.  (That is, beyond what's on Andreas' site  ;) )  


Had some computer problems.  Got to reformat my C drive yesterday so it'll probably be tomorrow or the next day before I get the pics up.
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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 02:37:54 pm »
I don't see any pics........

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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 03:46:05 pm »
Scott had problems posting. Hopefully he'll resize the pics and repost.
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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2006, 03:30:32 pm »
Sorry for the delay I've had a boatload of computer problems the last week or so (new MB and vid card, lots of BSODs, etc etc)  Some of these have been scaled down by half.
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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2006, 03:31:34 pm »
more. . .
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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2006, 09:11:36 am »
Very nice!

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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2006, 04:49:42 pm »
If I'm not mistaken, the upper stage of the Nike-Zeus was used as the starting point for the air-launched ABM that Avro-Canada did PD work on; it would have been launched from advanced Arrows.

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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2006, 09:22:41 pm »
Now if I remember right, Nike Zeus-B is the same as the Spartan missile?

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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2006, 10:07:16 pm »
Now if I remember right, Nike Zeus-B is the same as the Spartan missile?

Nope.  There are some subtle (and not so subtle ) differences.  The main visible one being the shape of the 3rd stage fins.  Here's a recent email that's bound to add to some of the confusion  :D

Regarding this picture (one with Sprint and Spartan/Zeus I've attached):

http://srmsc.org/mis1000.html

I wrote:

"I was looking at your most recent update and you indicate that you changed a caption from Spartan to Zeus.  If you look closely at the 3rd stage fins they are those of the Spartan rather than Zeus.  I think you had it right to start with.  Fantastic site by the way."

The webmaster wrote:

"Scott,

Interesting......  Admittedly, my main interests are the computers and radars, so I'll leave it to you missile experts to decide.  I've looked at several Zeus photos (via google)--I'm still not sure which is which.

Here's the email from the archivist at the White Sands Missile Range Museum:

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Hi Dave:

Thanks for the informative website.

However, I have one small correction.  The caption for the photo at URL http://www.srmsc.org/mis1000.html says the missile on the right is the Spartan.
 This is not correct.  That missile is the Nike Zeus, which was the predecessor to the Spartan.  In addition to many technological improvements, the Spartan was longer and larger in diameter.  The specs for both are below:

Spartan:

Missile Spartan
Length 16.8 m overall
Diameter 1.08 m
Fin span 2.98 m
Mass 13100 kg
Maximum speed >Mach 4
Range 740 km
Ceiling 560 km
First stage Thiokol TX-500 2200 kN
Second stage Thiokol TX-454
Third stage Thiokol TX-239
Warhead nuclear W-71 nuclear
5 Mt

Nike Zeus:

Length: 14.73m (48ft 4in)
Diameter: 0.91m (3ft)
Span: 2.44m (8ft)
Weight: 10,350kg (22 800lb)
Range: 400km (250 miles)
Ceiling: 280km (174 miles) - altitude obtained during ASAT test 1st Stage Motor: Thiokol TX-135, 450,000lb thrust 2nd Stage Motor: Thiokol TX-238 3rd Stage Motor: Thiokol TX-239
Guidance: Radio command
Warhead: W-50 Thermonuclear, 400kt

The photo was taken at White Sands Missile Range.  The Zeus was tested at White Sands, at Kwajalein, and at Point Magu, California, but the Spartan was never tested at White Sands, only at Kwajalein and Meck Island.

So, it might be appropriate to indicate that the Missile in the photo is a Zeus, but its appearance is very much like the Spartan.

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Doyle Piland
Archivist/Webmaster
White Sands Missile Range Museum"


To which I responded with the 2nd attached picture here:

"The easiest identifier is the 3rd-stage fins.  I've included a comparison image.  As for Spartan having never been launched at White Sands the photo in question is of mockups I believe.  I suppose they could have tested a Spartan 3rd stage with a Zeus 1st and 2nd but regardless, the 3rd stage fins in the photo are clearly those of Spartan.  (Interestingly enough I had that same book growing up. :-) ) 

I've looked at them a little closer now and the Spartan neck-down from the 2nd to 3rd stage is a bit more severe than on Zeus also.  However the paint scheme of the missile in question most closely matches that of Zeus in the locations of the wrap-around graphics and also its neck-down matches more closely that of Zeus.  Its 3rd stage fins are definitely those of Spartan though.  Looks like they slapped 3rd stage Spartan fins on a Zeus.  Definitely a head-scratcher.  I'll look into it a little further and if I find out anything I'll let you know.

Scott"


So does anybody know for sure what that thing is in the picture?
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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2006, 05:34:36 am »
Here is a Zeus on a trailer at WSMR but you'll note it's got the Zeus' fins on the 3rd stage.  (That's also a Zeus being launched in the background)
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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2006, 07:15:50 am »
I've looked at them a little closer now and the Spartan neck-down from the 2nd to 3rd stage is a bit more severe than on Zeus also.  However the paint scheme of the missile in question most closely matches that of Zeus in the locations of the wrap-around graphics and also its neck-down matches more closely that of Zeus.  Its 3rd stage fins are definitely those of Spartan though.  Looks like they slapped 3rd stage Spartan fins on a Zeus.  Definitely a head-scratcher.  I'll look into it a little further and if I find out anything I'll let you know.

So does anybody know for sure what that thing is in the picture?

I fully agree with your analysis. The 3rd-stage fins are Spartan, but the first two stages look like Zeus B (the diameter of the 2nd-stage diameter appears to be slightly smaller that of the 1st stage, which (AFAIK) wasn't the case for Spartan).

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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2010, 08:17:36 am »
I rarely bump stuff but with all the new members since this thread was started I was wondering if anybody has more info on this interesting missile.
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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2010, 08:38:38 pm »
Now that's one impressive and powerful image!!!!!

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Re: Nike Zeus and Derivatives
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2010, 06:50:39 am »
As impressive as the missile was, the supporting radar, i.e. the Zeus Acquisition Radar (ZAR) was just awesome. It consisted of separate transmitter and receiver each the size of a basket ball pitch. The transmitter had three enormous horns, each covering 120 deg of arc. This assembly rotated and transmitted microwave energy on to a beam forming fence the size of a basketball stadium, no kidding a 30m high girder structure that went 360 deg around the circumference.

If anyone has some really good quality photo's it would be great to post them, as all I've ever seen are really grainey, fuzzy, retouched jobs.

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