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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2010, 02:34:27 pm »
Is this any good ?
Fantastic, 100% better than anything I've seen till now. Many thanks!


That raises another question... are there any Blue Water missiles preserved?

It would appear at least a Cuckoo rocket motor was:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john_field/3701321062/
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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2010, 05:53:03 am »
According to: http://fuseurop.univ-perp.fr/bwater_e.htm

The Cuckoo would not have been used? Apparently something called Phoenix, but with a 17 or 24 inch motor?

That a Cuckoo has survived is not great surprise given how extensively the type was used in sounding and trials rockets before being replaced by Goldfinch.

http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/physics/outreach/the-rockets-pages/skylark
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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2010, 06:52:27 am »
Thanks for the info!

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2010, 11:39:00 am »
For a bit more history see this document, note how the range progressively increases. Also, the desire for a more powerful warhead, this may explain the experimental 24 inch rocket motor.

http://www.mcis.soton.ac.uk/Site_Files/pdf/nuclear_history/Working_Paper_No_1.pdf

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2010, 03:39:08 am »
Nice overview, thanks!

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2011, 07:06:35 am »
Bought this nice photo at an airfair earlier this year. :)
 
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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2011, 07:11:49 pm »
Very nice photo indeed, thanks for showing!

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2012, 12:49:41 pm »
Whilst looking for information about planned RAF Lightning squadrons I came across the following document which contains the conclusions of a meeting of the cabinet about the cancellation of Blue Water, it does not contain any surprises but it is interesting nonetheless.

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2012, 08:11:30 am »
Pols can be, ah, selective in their memories. Macmillan, Memoirs/VI,P335: (vice Douglas MGR-1B Honest John for France (yes, really!), Italy, FRG and UK, US urged Sperry MGM-29A Sergeant SSM to) “the tune of umpteen Mn.$”; UK declined “not a European rocket. It’s a racket of US industry.” BAC Blue Water was: “a better weapon (but pressure for Sergeant) was irresistible (on) favourable terms more common (for) washing machines (8/62 forcing) us to cancel at considerable loss” (£32.1Mn.)
 
In fact, once UK decided to restrict SSM deployment to BAOR, then inter-operation and free US warheads orphaned any UK-solo product. We perpetuated our HJs to 1977, then took Lance on the customary washing-machine deal.
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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2012, 09:24:04 am »
Everyone seen this?
http://specialistauctions.com/auctiondetails.php?id=1503182
'board room model'
 
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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2013, 04:43:08 pm »
MoS in 1958, then MoA, funding Bristol(GW), then BAC(GW) as Prime, embracing its Bristol ramjet. I think work did not proceed beyond bench bits; MoA encouraged BSEL to attend firstly to Odin for Sea Dart.

In one of the OR.1182 files in the PRO mention is actually made of a proposal to provide Bristol with a contract for R&D of the ramjet for the X-12, I have no idea if the proposal was adopted but it seems to have gone further than the rest of the affair. Interestingly the X-12 appears to double in weight in about 2 years.

I am left wondering whether it could have been made lighter using the BS.1013 integrated ramjet and the Shelldyne fuel of the later Grand Slam II...?

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2014, 02:24:47 am »
Have seen mention of the FV426 as a launcher for Blue Water. Anyone encountered this before? Have seen FV426 as a vehicle for Orange William, but this is new to me. It's on a list of cargo for the Britannic/HP.111/VC10.

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2014, 02:59:52 am »
there is a drawing of Blue water mounted upon a tracked chassis in one of the files at Kew, I do have a copy of it somewhere, I will see if I can dig it out

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2014, 03:19:57 am »
I doubt this helps, but maybe, one of the things I have learnt looking through the file at Kew is that FVRDE would look at every conceivable chassis for a new missile programme and there seems to have been something of a disconnect between FVRDE and the missile people- there is a fascinating FVRDE study about PT.428, suffice to say they didn't like it.

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Re: Blue Water
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2014, 02:09:02 pm »
I've seen 'Tracked Blue Water launcher" before on a list of Belfast cargo options but always assumed it to be on a FV432 chassis, but this FV426 came as a bit of a surprise.

I wonder what prompted the change from a tracked TEL to the Bedford wheeled TEL.  Ease of movement around West Germany's excellent roads?

Chris