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Invincible class - notes
« on: September 13, 2010, 01:25:13 pm »
Found a couple of notes on Invincible class from my Aviation & Marine International magazine collection

September 1979:
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Provision was originally made for the armament to consist of a number of container/launchers for MM38 Exocet. However these missiles have not been installed for economical reasons

April 1976:
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Iranian Navy would not be ordering an Invicible class cruiser. The abandoned plans called for the construction of three vessels. The renouncement was prompted by Iran's inability to provide sufficient trained personnel to form the crew for ships of the size and sophistication of the ASC, negotiations are continuin, however, about the order for a batch of 25 Sea Harrier. Acording to some sources Iran is going to replace the abandoned Invincible with a group of at least 4 Harrier vessels. But in this case too, the Shah seems to be very reluctant to give the go-ahead in the absence of any show of concrete interest by the Royal Navy


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Re: Invincible class - notes
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2010, 01:51:08 pm »
D K Browne mentions the exocet launchers as well. Obviously the need for them vanished when the Cold War ended (and this space was rightly used for an extended flight deck) but had the Cold War continued it would have been nice to have seen, perhaps 8 Harpoons in that space to add to the overall ASuW firepower of the RN at the time.
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Re: Invincible class - notes
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 02:03:53 pm »
Found a couple of notes on Invincible class from my Aviation & Marine International magazine collection

April 1976:
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Iranian Navy would not be ordering an Invicible class cruiser. The abandoned plans called for the construction of three vessels. The renouncement was prompted by Iran's inability to provide sufficient trained personnel to form the crew for ships of the size and sophistication of the ASC, negotiations are continuin, however, about the order for a batch of 25 Sea Harrier. Acording to some sources Iran is going to replace the abandoned Invincible with a group of at least 4 Harrier vessels. But in this case too, the Shah seems to be very reluctant to give the go-ahead in the absence of any show of concrete interest by the Royal Navy


Thank you pometablava. Interesting to speculate what the Islamic Republic of Iran might have done with three Invincible-class aircraft carriers and 25 Sea Harrier.

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Re: Invincible class - notes
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2010, 02:13:03 pm »
Don't forget about their probable escorts:

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The Kidd class guided missile destroyers (DDGs) were a series of four warships based upon the hull of the Spruance class destroyers. These ships were originally ordered by the Shah of Iran for service in the Persian Gulf in an air defense role. The Shah of Iran was overthrown prior to Iran accepting delivery of the ships, causing the United States Navy to integrate the vessels into its own fleet

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...a mighty fleet for the Shah

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Re: Invincible class - notes
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2013, 01:42:25 pm »
This seems to be an appropriate place to put this old 2003 obiturary which I came across while trying to find info on the Royal Corps of Naval Constructors: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1438568/Norman-Hancock.html

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As Director of Warship Design from 1969 to 1976, he had to persuade a reluctant Admiralty and an unenthusiastic Treasury to involve the shipbuilder in the sketch designs for Invincible and to supervise some 3,500 man-years of effort which produced over 50,000 drawings. Late in the design, Lt-Cdr D R Taylor produced the idea of a ski-jump, again to a scornful naval staff, but Hancock and his project manager, Arthur Honnor, were easily able to accommodate this new feature and produce the world's first jumpjet carrier. As a result Invincible had the highest freeboard of any ship in the Navy and a modest displacement, yet was still the biggest ship to be propelled by gas turbines.
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