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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #135 on: December 19, 2014, 06:13:49 pm »
http://www.ausairpower.net/Mark-Kopp-Art.html

Scroll halfway down the memorial page for the B&W and color versions of the illustration; listed as "speculative". The art, by Australian Mark Kopp (brother to Dr. Carlo Kopp) does not appear to have any connection to Northrop.

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #136 on: December 20, 2014, 06:35:13 pm »
Considering the f-20 first rolled out in 1981 then the 19 would have to precede even that date.  Work the timeline backwards, the number of years to develop a fighter, and the 19 don't exist.  It would have to have preceded have blue and yet been so fantastic that it's stealth secrets were relevant past the revelation of the 117 and after the atf and b2 were rolled out. 


The 117 when it was still secret had a trail even a blind man could see. There is none for a stealth fighter.  Now the "manta" does have a trail not to mention being caught on camera at red flag in the late 80s.  Same for the aurora.  I think it was 1987 when national news agencies were reporting its first flights. Then mysteriously like Roswell the next day it fell down a black hole and was never heard again in the news.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #137 on: December 21, 2014, 01:15:08 am »
Purely from a tri-service designation perspective I think it's possible there was a prototype or small run aircraft like the yf-17/yf-20. It may well have been an exciting stealthy fighter aircraft but that doesn't mean it was operational aircraft or that there was a fleet of them.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #138 on: December 21, 2014, 03:31:00 am »
Allow me to differ tacitblue, in that the time of allocation of a designation has nothing to do with the actual time of construction or flight of a prototype.
I'm sure we can find many examples in the history of U.S. designations where the type didn't fly until quite a few years after it was designated.
If the type was technologically challenging or complicated to develop, then logically it would fly at a later date than types designated after it.
Think of the F-103 for instance. If the project had been carried through, it would have flown waaaay after the F-104, right? So your argument doesn't hold water, here, I'm afraid.

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #139 on: December 21, 2014, 02:54:15 pm »
F-14 preceded the F-15 which preceded the F-16/17 which preceded the F-18 which preceded the F-20 which preceded the F-22/23.

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #140 on: December 21, 2014, 03:20:39 pm »
F-14 preceded the F-15 which preceded the F-16/17 which preceded the F-18 which preceded the F-20 which preceded the F-22/23.


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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #141 on: December 21, 2014, 03:25:33 pm »
Or, just possibly, -19 was skipped so Northrop could get F-20 for the Tigershark.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #142 on: December 22, 2014, 01:09:00 am »
Or, just possibly, -19 was skipped so Northrop could get F-20 for the Tigershark.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #143 on: December 23, 2014, 03:56:56 pm »
F-14 preceded the F-15 which preceded the F-16/17 which preceded the F-18 which preceded the F-20 which preceded the F-22/23.




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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #144 on: January 14, 2015, 06:34:09 am »
Here an drawing of the F-117 Nighthawk. Look at the aft section with those air intakes for cooling the IR-signature.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #145 on: January 14, 2015, 07:39:04 am »
It's literally a tracing of the first released photo I think. Nice pic though.
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #146 on: March 18, 2015, 10:19:30 am »
Does anyone know who produced this line drawing? Thanks in advance. -SP
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #147 on: March 18, 2015, 11:35:14 am »
Isn't it Monogram's F-19?

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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #148 on: March 18, 2015, 11:48:04 am »
Isn't it Monogram's F-19?
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Re: F-19: artists impressions of the Stealth Fighter
« Reply #149 on: March 30, 2015, 01:48:21 pm »
The Loral/Northrop F-19 Specter may or may not have been considered for prototyping at some point...

One thing for sure though, the design must have been a little more than PR/disinformation material since it featured prominently as an example of a fighter design with desirable stealth characteristics in a once top secret CIA report that was partially "sanitized" for public release...

As for the elusive "TR-3/Black Manta" being the same as "CSIRS", you may find this excerpt from the same CIA document (dated 1985) worthy of interest. It states that CSIRS was in effect simply what was later known as the F-117. This seems to be confirmed by the second document which calls it "F-19" in quotes for lack of a better designation.

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The Lockheed Company, using the experience it gained in designing its SR-71 and A-11 aircraft, is at present building 29 reconnaissance aircraft which have received the designation CSIRS. Their construction is being financed by the project for designing the future ATF fighter aircraft.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/docs/area51_43.PDF
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB443/docs/area51_45.PDF
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