Register here

Author Topic: Dassault LOGIDUC program  (Read 142 times)

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 21456

Offline Matej

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 2617
  • Multiuniversal creator
    • Hitechweb - bizare aviation
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 03:11:47 pm »
This is actually the rendering of the final Dassault Grand Duc shape.

The definition phase of the nEUROn ended in June and the shape of the demonstrator was frozen. Now its undergoing extensive windtunnel testing, mainly in Sweden. I haven't confirm this yet, but I expect that it is the configuration AP781-30. If everything goes right, the first flight is expected in 2011 - 2012 timeframe. I tried several times to contact the Dassault personell with some official questions, but they don't bother even to say that they will say nothing. Well, firm culture in Dassault is in the very low level based on my more than two years experience with them.

Bizarre aviation expert.

Offline Matej

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 2617
  • Multiuniversal creator
    • Hitechweb - bizare aviation
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 03:53:43 am »
I found those good photos, where I can clearly show the difference between the two birds. Note that the Grand Duc is twin engined.

Bizarre aviation expert.

Offline Matej

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 2617
  • Multiuniversal creator
    • Hitechweb - bizare aviation
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2009, 03:32:48 am »
And its the pity that only a few people really know, how advanced and ambitious the Grand Duc was. In the proposed operational variant it was even bigger than the X-47B, capable to use tactical nuclear missiles and with the all aspect stealth. The gear was placed upside down, so the plane rotated by 180 degrees during the level flight.

Bizarre aviation expert.

Offline Skyblazer

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 13244
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2009, 04:27:28 am »
Anyone has got pictures of the Petit Duc sub-scale demonstrator?

Offline Matej

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 2617
  • Multiuniversal creator
    • Hitechweb - bizare aviation
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2009, 04:56:21 am »
Use Google. "Dassault Petit Duc" or "Dassault AVE-D" and you will find a lot of.

Bizarre aviation expert.

Offline Matej

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 2617
  • Multiuniversal creator
    • Hitechweb - bizare aviation
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2009, 05:16:37 am »
Just note, that there are two versions of the Petit Duc. The first one AVE-D (Discrétion) is the original 1/100 subscale demonstrator with the diamond wing. The second one 1/10 scale AVE-C (Contrôle) (from which originally evolved the Dassault/Sagem Slow-Fast UAV) is the bigger platform with the modified wing. It also flown tailess.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2009, 01:58:42 pm by Matej »

Bizarre aviation expert.

Offline Skyblazer

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 13244
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2009, 05:18:52 am »
Thanks for the pics and the explanations!

Offline hesham

  • Senior Member
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • **
  • Posts: 21456


Offline Matej

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 2617
  • Multiuniversal creator
    • Hitechweb - bizare aviation
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2010, 02:49:02 pm »
This should explain the complicated development of the european UCAV demonstrators.

Bizarre aviation expert.

Offline Skyblazer

  • Global Moderator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 13244
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 04:33:23 am »
Matej, you did an amazing job at making the whole thing a lot clearer... Thanks a lot!!!  ;)


Offline flateric

  • Deputy Administrator
  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ****
  • Posts: 8413
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 11:24:23 am »
AVE-D
"There are many disbelievers in
stealth, more than a few of them truly technically ignorant and proud of it." Sherm Mullin, Skunk Works

Online Deltafan

  • CLEARANCE: Top Secret
  • ***
  • Posts: 627
Re: Dassault LOGIDUC program
« Reply #14 on: Today at 04:40:33 am »
Thanks a lot flateric, overall for the link concerning the Petit Duc AVE program :)

But it seems that there are mistakes in some links (Wikipedia) and in older posts of this topic.

AFAIK (from Air & Cosmos French weekly magazine) :

-AVE D (first flight July 2000) and AVE C (first flight June 2003) were parts of Petit Duc Program. The weight of each model was around 60 kgs.

-The Moyen Duc (first flight ca September 2004) program was based on the AVE C's shape, but it was not the AVE C and its weight was around 500 kgs. For the same reason, the 2004 tactical UAV Dassault-Sagem SlowFast was not "based on the Moyen Duc AVE C", it "was the Moyen Duc" and "based on the Petit Duc AVE C".
« Last Edit: Today at 04:44:59 am by Deltafan »