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Re: General Dynamics Convair Models 200, 201 and 218 Sea Control Ship fighters
« Reply #90 on: October 19, 2017, 05:42:14 am »
Thank you Scrutor.

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From Congress Advanced Aeronautical Concepts hearings July 1974
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From Congress Advanced Aeronautical Concepts hearings July 1974

Nice find my dear Paul.

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Assuming the Navy didn't pick the Rockwell XFV-12 because they expected it to fail, what advantages did it supposedly offer over the Convair design?
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It wouldn't melt the carrier's deck when taking off (slower, colder efflux).
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If I may....
I have a question having read through this.
How much more fuel would the VTOL version have?

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If I may....
I have a question having read through this.
How much more fuel would the VTOL version have?

Readying your question Zen, I would think the "VTOL version" would have less fuel than the CTOL variant, due to the two lift engines, due to the volume they occupy and their weight.


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That's weird, I'm sure I typed CTOL.....?

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No worries Zen, C & V are within fat fingers range on my keyboard!  Mark

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No worries Zen, C & V are within fat fingers range on my keyboard!  Mark
Thanks it's a million times worse on a touchscreen!
And the really weird bit is I had to retype that to force the autocorrect to not turn it to VTOL.
Yet there it is....?

Anyway reading through it seems a little over 5,000lb of fuel for VTOL. But no mention of how much is gained in the switch to CTOL, but it's a fairly big tank they replace the lift jets with.

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You could make a first order assumption if you knew the length and diameter of the XJ99 liftjet.
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You could make a first order assumption if you knew the length and diameter of the XJ99 liftjet.

I might have that too.
Good idea!
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No worries Zen, C & V are within fat fingers range on my keyboard!  Mark

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That's weird, I'm sure I typed CTOL.....?

No worries zen, all good 😉

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