Albatros space transportation system proposal (1982)

[hesham]

Hi,

Albatros

Albatros

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Альбатрос

 

[Grey Havoc]

Were they trying to make use of a waverider effect for the second stage?

 

[hesham]

Were they trying to make use of a waverider effect for the second stage?

Hi Grey,

please read the translation.

 

[hesham]

From Flieger Revue 12/1980,


the Sukhoi Albatros dimensions.

 

[Michel Van]

i have no idea what he was smoking, but its cool
first stage is Hydrofoil ship !

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGKezOhZoUY

 

[Archibald]

Yeah, as if a Bimese TSTO wasn't difficult enough, plus crossfeed. Let's put it on a ship !

 

[martinbayer]

Yeah, as if a Bimese TSTO wasn't difficult enough, plus crossfeed. Let's put it on a ship !

That's not a Bimese, since the booster is notably different from the orbiter. For an actual Bimese TSTO design see e.g. https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20050212103/downloads/20050212103.pdf.

 

[Archibald]

Asymetrical bimese - I should have said.

 

[Michel Van]

the 1974 Albatros concept is wild

it use hydrofoil as propellant tank for First stage engines during acceleration.
once the that tanks is empty the two stage have takeoff speed at around 180 km/h.
the entere system would bring 30 metric tons in low orbit

it compete against Energia/Buran and lost...

 

[martinbayer]

Asymetrical bimese - I should have said.

That's completely nonsensical - the fundamentally defining feature of any Bimese *IS* symmetry/identical design of booster and orbiter, see for example the characterization at https://selenianboondocks.com/2008/01/an-insane-but-interesting-idea-fleet-launched-orbital-craft/.

 

[TheKutKu]

Sidebar: Alexeyev/Sukhoi Albatros

Rostislav Alexeyev built the latter part of his engineering career on ground effect, which is the demonstrable fact that a wing generates more lift and experiences less drag when it’s in clos…

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False steps blog wrote about it several years ago

 

[publiusr]

Perhaps having a big hydrofoil would allow an asteroid fly-by rotorvator to pick up large objects at sea.

Here, speed is just important to reduce stress on cables.

 

[Archibald]

ALBATROSS !!!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqW_BZu5Xk

 

[RanulfC]

the 1974 Albatros concept is wild

it use hydrofoil as propellant tank for First stage engines during acceleration.
once the that tanks is empty the two stage have takeoff speed at around 180 km/h.
the entere system would bring 30 metric tons in low orbit

it compete against Energia/Buran and lost...

From what I'm reading on hydrofoils they don't seem to be able to reach the needed speed (180kph/112mph) due to hydrodynamic drag. I seem to recall a version that suggested an ekranoplan, now that should probably work.

Randy

 

[Michel Van]

a ekranoplan would work better as hydrofoils

 

[flateric]

From Flieger Revue 12/1980 and Spaceflight vol.25 1983

 

[flateric]

Original 1982 publication. I wonder where Wade did get all that 1974 timing and Sukhoi & Alekseev OKB whatabouts.

 

[flateric]

At least two of the authors were long-time professors of Bauman State Technical University. Absense of project mention in any - even recent - of Alekseev or Sukhoi OKB - historical publications (that's while project was _openly_ published in 1982) allows me to think that any relationship to above-mentioned design bureaus is a pure myth (not talking about technical aspects of this weird idea of 720 kph hydrofoil carrying LH2 TSTO).