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Offline Michel Van

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Fieseler Fi 166
« on: August 03, 2010, 06:19:59 am »
the Story of  Fieseler Fi 166  is strange
In 1941 Werner von Braun proposed Rocket powered interceptor at Reichs Luftfahrt Ministerium (RLM)
they refused the concept, but Erich Bachem notice the proposal
he work for Gerhard-Fieseler-Werke as Technical manager and proposed later at RLM the "Fi 166 Höhenjäger I"

its Me BF109 (without engine & propeller) with attached underneath  a  A-5 rocket!
who launches it vertical up to 12000 meter (39,370 ft) were BF109 glide to enemy Bomber
but to unavailability of BF109, Bachem overwork the study
the BF109 is replace by a Me 262 like aircraft wit two Jumbo004 engine, designed by Bachem and to build by Fieseler.
but RLM consider this as impractical.

so Erich Bachem overwork the design to "Fi 166 Höhenjäger II"
this time it a two seat rocketplane with restart Engine
again RLM consider this as impractical.

in 1944 RLM demand manned interceptors for home defense
Erich Bachem proposed the Ba 349-NATTER

some open question about the Fi 166 Höhenjäger:
About the "unavailability" of BF109
BF109 on A5 rocket ? i think the launch rip the BF109 into piece !
was that the truth why Me Bf109 was not use?

was Fi 166 with Jetengine (Me 262 analog) special design for rocket interceptor
or was a other design used for study?
« Last Edit: August 03, 2010, 11:26:30 am by Michel Van »
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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2010, 08:48:02 am »
a 3-view drawing seems to be here
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Fi.htm

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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 10:45:02 am »
Wow, cool stuff.
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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2010, 11:32:27 am »
on unavailability of BF109 at Gerhard-Fieseler-Werke

they build 70 BF109-T for the aircraftcarrier "Graf Zeppelin"
after this project never came in action
the BF-109-T were used in coastline defence
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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 08:26:58 am »
on unavailability of BF109 at Gerhard-Fieseler-Werke

they build 70 BF109-T for the aircraftcarrier "Graf Zeppelin"
after this project never came in action
the BF-109-T were used in coastline defence

Don't forget about the development from this, what became the Bv 155.
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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 09:47:04 am »
Don't forget about the development from this, what became the Bv 155.

AFAIK, the Bf 109T were re-modified into Bf 109E again, as there never was a need for those
carrier fighter. The Bv 155 stemmed from the Bf 109H series, in itself a development of the
F and G.
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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 12:16:12 pm »
AFAIK, the Bf 109T re-modified into Bf 109E again, as there never was a need for those
carrier fighter. The Bv 155 stemmed from the Bf 109H series, in itself a development of the F and G.

that explane the unavailability of Me BF109
this insane Proposal need a reinforced construction like BF109-T, but still is gonna rips in to piece during launch.

for Fi 166 as "Me 262 like aircraft" with two Jumbo004 engine, RLM say no to it because competition & competence hassles to Me 262 program ?
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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2011, 11:15:09 am »
I've made a hypothetical drawing about the original bf 109+emw rocket proposal. I hope you like it:





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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2011, 11:53:45 pm »
Interesting and pleasant, thanks!
(while personal hypothetical drawings may be better in another section of this forum, I don't know)

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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2011, 07:31:22 am »
My opinion...

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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2011, 07:47:26 am »
AFAIK, the Bf 109T were re-modified into Bf 109E again .....

The carrier version was/would have been the 109T-1; after the project was cancelled the bulk of the 70 aircraft on order were completed as 109T-2, with all carrier related equipment (capapult fittings, hooks etc) removed.  Due to their extended wings they had much better short field performance, so were allocated to I/JG.77 in Norway where they could be utilised most effectively.

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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2011, 07:59:03 am »
My opinion...post-2

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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2011, 10:02:19 am »
My opinion...


Isn't first drawing the first version of Fi 166? I mean, I thought the second version was a von Braun interceptor like rocket plane.


I made my drawing based on this discription: http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Fi.htm
It's an interesting fact that BF 109's wing sweep and the belly line of the tail section is the same as the Fi 166s (plane+rocket version).

Thank you for the drawings!
« Last Edit: July 27, 2011, 03:41:40 pm by RdsG46 »
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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2011, 12:42:52 am »
My opinion...

Your opinion is always welcomed Justo!!  :D

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Re: Fieseler Fi 166
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2011, 05:13:03 pm »
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