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Message from Chris:

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Just a quick note to thank everyone who bought the VC10 book and to let you know what’s in the pipeline for Project Tech Profiles. Following on from Mike Pryce’s P.1216 book comes “The Admiralty and AEW” from Blue Envoy Press. This  Project Tech Profile covers the Royal Navy’s many attempts to fill the airborne early warning role on its carriers from 1945 until 2010. As ever, much of the content is new and based on new research in the various BAE Systems archives around the country plus The National Archives at Kew.
 
The format is similar to the VC10 book, the usual general arrangement drawings and artwork by Adrian Mann. If those who bought the VC10 book have any comments on what could be added or improved in future, I’d be interested in hearing them. For example, more photos, bigger drawings or fewer appendices.
 
I’m hoping to have it available by the end of the year, but meantime, I have appended a summary of its content and a draft cover image

Thanks and regards

Chris Gibson
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The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects

Continuing the Project Tech Profile series, “The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects” examines the development of this essential role from the Vickers Wellington of 1941 up to BAE Systems’ 2005 Boeing V-22 Osprey and Sidetrack proposals for the forthcoming Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers.

Concentrating on unbuilt design studies aimed at meeting AEW requirement on the Royal Navy’s carriers, “The Admiralty and AEW” describes for the first time the numerous projects intended to provide the ultimate crow’s nest.  Fairey’s initial foray into AEW with the Spearfish “Guppy” in 1945 and Blackburn’s B.54 from 1949 set the scene for the 1950s and 60s. Blackburn Aircraft at Brough was particularly active in AEW, specifically the P.119 and P.139 series of Buccaneer-based studies and the many configurations of the portly “Flying pig”. Avro Woodford’s design studies based on the Avro Type 748 with American radars are also examined, as is their attempt to interest the US Navy in a BAe 146 with AN/APS.120 radar in the 1980s.

The Admiralty’s abortive attempt to procure the E-2 Hawkeye is described for the first time, as are the three occasions long before the Falklands War when helicopters were proposed as AEW platforms.
 
Government and company archive material has been used throughout and these, combined with original artwork by Adrian Mann, show how the Royal Navy and the aircraft designers hoped to fill what has become a pivotal role in naval warfare.
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 04:45:32 am »
Great news that its now been announced, Chris was hinting at it last year at ScaleModelWorld when commenting on the P139 AEW i had built.

Going off the VC-10 book it should be good using the same format, with Admirialty AEW i suppose there may be more options for manufactures models and original artwork as some of the projects were more advanced than others.
Will there be any coverage of the carriers in relation to the AEW aircraft  ?

Cheers

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 07:18:34 am »
I am ready.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2009, 07:23:18 am »
Me too

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 12:21:32 am »
On conidering the artwork i think Adrian should change the Black and Yellow stiped nose to the tail cone on the AEW Bucc for the cover. I know its inspired by the 849sqdn gannets which had a the contra-prop to best show the bee stipes, but with the Bucc i think they would have gone with a tail cone rather than nose cone stripes.

Be interesting to see how the Sideways looking radar would have worked as i know it was retracted into the former bomb bay and deployed in flight, but where on earth did they put the avionics within a standard bucc airframe ?

Still it should be very interesting to see what projects were propossed for AEW as some of the designs have been quite imaginativem although many wont win any aircraft beauty contests  ;D.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 12:05:08 pm »
I recently contacted Blue Envoy Press and was informed by Chris Gibson that Michael Pryce's P.1216 book is still in preparation and he hopes to have it available before his RN AEW book which could be available in the spring.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 04:49:42 pm »
On conidering the artwork i think Adrian should change the Black and Yellow stiped nose to the tail cone on the AEW Bucc for the cover. I know its inspired by the 849sqdn gannets which had a the contra-prop to best show the bee stipes, but with the Bucc i think they would have gone with a tail cone rather than nose cone stripes.

We thought that colour scheme would elicit some comments!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 11:40:14 am »
AEW book is largely complete. Chris sent me this possible cover image...
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 03:03:27 pm »
Think the Gannet cover is more suitable for the title - I like it  ;D

So whens its due out ?

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2010, 02:20:44 pm »
When indeed.

And where will this be available?

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2010, 12:00:05 pm »
Any updates?

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2010, 01:21:08 am »
Last I heard it was still in progress but Chris does have another interesting project in the pipeline (a larger book) which may be delaying things a bit.
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 05:10:29 am »
With the Gannet in the foreground and the P.1154 in the background that is one epic front cover!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 01:56:09 pm »
Last I heard it was still in progress but Chris does have another interesting project in the pipeline (a larger book) which may be delaying things a bit.

Hints???

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2010, 10:50:35 pm »
Chris sent me this possible cover image...

And here I was, thinking it was impossible to make the Gannet look any uglier  ;)

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2011, 03:49:09 pm »
Oi, Gibson! when's this book ready?  ;)

Will the book feature any Pegasus powered AEW concepts similar to the DO-31?

Any chance of another teaser too please?

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 02:12:30 am »
Don't you boys ever rummage about on Amazon? Most disappointed by your sleuthing skills, so expect a visit from Archdeacon Robert...

Hope the attached BAC A2 will keep you interested.

Seriously, Adrian is finalising the layout as I type and then Ed the Geordie printer will be doing his trick with ink and paper, hopefully before the forthcoming mini ice-age shuts the UK down. Happy to report no photos of Maggie but other scary things, such as aircraft that will give you nightmares.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2011, 02:33:59 am »
 :o

Thanks for the new pic, I take it that the AEW specification didn't include the line "No fat birds"  ;D

What's your preference, buy from Amazon or direct from you guys?
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2011, 03:02:37 am »
Direct is generally a quicker than delivery via Amazon.

Loads of fat, ugly birds in it, nature of the beast. Compared with the other horrors in TA&AEW, the A2 is actually one of the loveliest AEW aircraft ever drawn. One proof-reader's single-word reply on receiving the draft was "Aaaaaaaarrrrrgh!"

Chris

PS You haven't had a proper rummage on Amazon yet, have you?

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2011, 03:31:49 am »

PS You haven't had a proper rummage on Amazon yet, have you?
Its worth a snoot to searcg Amazon.co.uk books for AEW ;)

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2011, 04:19:51 am »

PS You haven't had a proper rummage on Amazon yet, have you?
Its worth a snoot to searcg Amazon.co.uk books for AEW ;)
I have now, looks like someone has taken the AEW ugly stick to a BAe 146 too!  :)

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2011, 04:42:08 am »
I'll call off the Archdeacon...

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2011, 04:51:50 am »
 :D Cheers Chris, keep up the good work!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2011, 05:22:00 am »
The BAC A2 thing is the stuff of nightmares. Imagine it with wings folded in Gannet style... eurgh.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2011, 01:34:48 pm »
I want this book...

...so badly it hurts!  B)

The BAC A2 thing is the stuff of nightmares. Imagine it with wings folded in Gannet style... eurgh.

Hey, even ugly planes deserve some love! As a point of principle, I plan to build models of some of the uglies once I have my mitts on a copy...

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2011, 02:07:58 am »
I'm happy to report final High Res PDF's for the artwork have been sent over to the Chris in the UK, so Ed the Geordie printer will be galvanised into action forthwith!

I've actually grown quite attached to those unloved, chubby aircraft... I should really try chopping them up so I can fold the wings and see how that looks - somewhat less lovely I suspect!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2011, 02:27:00 am »
"Any chance of another teaser too please"

Index and a couple of pages.

Should be available from the last week in January and not before, so don't blow all that Xmas money on Amazon just yet.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2011, 03:15:29 pm »
i want a job with Ed the Geordie Printer...
so I can print my own copy............ ;D   B)


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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2011, 05:16:40 pm »
What's with all these MiG-21s bouncing RN AEW platforms? And not a Spey Phantom in sight...
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2011, 06:04:03 pm »
Speaking of Amazon, they're already showing The Air Staff and AEW.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2011, 10:33:47 pm »
Abraham,

Rest assured, there is a Spey Phantom within and I like Fishbeds.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2011, 04:25:47 am »
Looking forward to getting the book when it comes out in January especially having seen a sneek preview at SMW to wet the appetite  ;) . Its inspiring model projects already so really looking to get my teeth into some of the projects to turn them into builds.
 
As for the companion volume "The Air Staff & AEW" that should nicely cover the RAF types when its published sometime later on next year. Just think about the possibilities instead of the Shackleton, Nimrod & Sentry !.
 
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2011, 07:25:10 pm »
I'm waiting with bated breath for the January release of this.  Of course, there will then be the overseas shipping times.


This will probably be answered within a month but I'm hoping for a sneak peak.   


Chris, will this cover the AEW Buccaneer?  I've seen a couple of references to this proposal but never any drawings or artwork showing how this might work.  Was the AEW Buccaneer to be a standard Buc with the radome or were further modifications such as longer wings and greater fuel tankage contemplated?


Thank you very much.




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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2011, 11:54:39 pm »
Speaking of Amazon, they're already showing The Air Staff and AEW.

Will this show an early Wellington AEW ?
 
And, will it explain why there were no RAF AEWs until the Shakleton lash-up ?
 
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2011, 12:18:30 am »
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Will this show an early Wellington AEW ?

From what i remember of the sneake preview the Wellington AEW is mentioned in the first chapter of the Admiralty and AEW.
 
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Chris, will this cover the AEW Buccaneer?

Again from the sneak preview the Buccaneer is most definately covered, in fact one of the variants is shown at the start of this thread as a possible cover.
 
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2011, 03:21:57 pm »
What's with all these MiG-21s bouncing RN AEW platforms? And not a Spey Phantom in sight...

Frankly if I were an F-4 jock escorting that thing, I'd leave it to the wolves too.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2012, 07:57:35 pm »
Hi Chris:


Any updates on release dates for The Admiralty and AEW or The Air Staff and AEW?


Amazon UK is showing The Admiralty and AEW as temporarily out of stock.  (Although it never seem to come in stock or at least not in stock enough to clear my pre-order.)  Are you still looking at a January release date?



The Air Staff and AEW at one point showed a specific June release date but seems to have dropped back to plain pre-order without a release date.


Amazon UK seems to be pushing The Air Staff and AEW book more.  I've gotten a couple of suggestions from Amazon UK that I order it but oddly enough they don't seem to mention  the similar Admiralty book which is coming out 6 months sooner (or only mention it as an afterthought).  Of course their suggestions are a little behind the power curve as I have already pre-ordered both.


I'm looking forward to seeing some of the details on some of the weird (and wonderful?) planes you and Adrian have teased us with.   


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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2012, 10:28:52 pm »
The Admiratly and AEW is now available.

£9.95 per copy

Postage

UK - £1.70 (First Class post)
Europe - £5.15 (Air Mail)
Rest of World - £7.90 (Air Mail)

I will endeavour to ship orders the same day in a stiffie.

Please send all orders, enquiries and paypal payments to blue.envoy.services@googlemail.com

The VC10 book has been reprinted and is also available, price is £8.95, postage rates the same.

Many thanks for your support with previous books and I hope TAAEW meets your expectations.

Chris
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2012, 11:08:52 pm »
It's a wet, cold miserable day outside, here in Bolton Lancashire....  :(

But who cares?!

Order placed Chris, suddenly the day seems a whole lot sunnier...  :)

Cheers

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2012, 08:36:00 am »
All orders received before 1500hrs Z have been posted. I have also sent a load to Amazon's distributor, so if you've ordered via Amazon, you should get your copy soon.

Thanks

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2012, 11:36:23 am »
Thanks Chris, now eagrtly awaiting the postie this week so i can get to read it  ;D

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2012, 11:52:01 am »
Thank you very much Chris.  As you know, I'm really looking forward to this. 


This is a major reason that Concorde should never have come out of service.  If it was still flying it might be possible for Royal Mail to offer same day (not mere overnight) service across the Atlantic for important mail this this. 


Now hanging out by my mailbox.


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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2012, 10:53:29 am »
Got mine this morning! Dumb-bell Buccaneer  :o

Good job Chris!

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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2012, 01:13:05 pm »
My copy arrived in the post today.  :)

Excellent service as always Chris.

Having read the book this evening, I can thoroughly recommend this book to anyone with an interest in UK AEW projects. Beginning with the earliest efforts in WWII, to work in the 1950's that produces the AEW Gannet, through to the "Dumb-Bell Buccaneer" studies, and the various BAC & HSA studies to NASR 6166 & 6167, this book gives a detailed look into the world of RN AEW work, and the often tortured efforts of the manufacturers involved to "squeeze a quart into a pint pot" as they tried to meet the Admiralty's requirements.

Each section has numerous three view drawings to illustrate the designs being discussed, as well as explanatory diagrams for technical and operational concepts. Some of the aircraft within this book are easily front running contenders for the title of "The Ugliest Aircraft Ever Designed", yet some are actualy quite handsome looking aircraft.

If I have one very small quibble, a few of the drawings are the small side, and as my main interest with such books is to use them as inspiration for future scratchbuilding projects, the drawings don't scan and scale up too well, but as I say, only a minor quibble.

Overall, an excellent addition to the series, roll on the RAF AEW Projects edition!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2012, 02:00:09 am »
Ah, forgot to mention that larger drawings are available (see attached). The masters are done at A3, so drop me a line if there are any you fancy. There will, of course, be...questions.

Contact Adrian for info on his artwork. Mike will advise on P.1216 matters

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2012, 03:00:42 am »
Have just e-mailed my order. Great stuff!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2012, 03:47:45 am »
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I've now had a chance to read my copy - Very Nice !
 
Some interesting, and depressing, history in those pages.
 
Whilst I acknowledge the problem of the "small drawings", I find then adequate (being more intereted in the "history" rather than modelling).  My only quibble would be a lack of TNA:PRO references.
 
I can't wait for the RAF book (hopefully with references).
 
Keep up the good work.
 
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2012, 08:00:36 am »

     Just sent you a Paypal for a copy of both.


The Admiratly and AEW is now available.

£9.95 per copy

Postage

UK - £1.60 (First Class post)
Europe - £3.00 (Air Mail)
Rest of World - £4.50 (Air Mail)

I will endeavour to ship orders the same day in a stiffie.

Please send all orders, enquiries and paypal payments to blue.envoy.services@googlemail.com

The VC10 book has been reprinted and is also available, price is £8.95, postage rates the same.

Many thanks for your support with previous books and I hope TAAEW meets your expectations.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #48 on: January 26, 2012, 08:51:32 am »
I've ordered my copy from amazon.  Is this ok?

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2012, 03:32:54 pm »
I've ordered my copy from amazon.  Is this ok?


When I access Amazon.co.uk, they still show The Admiralty and AEW as "Temporarily out of stock.  Order now and we'll deliver when available. We'll e-mail you with an estimated delivery date as soon as we have more information. "  Are you getting a more definitive status message? 

What I find amusing is that Amazon.co.uk confidently assures me that The Air Staff and AEW will be in on precisely 18 June 2012 even though they apparently have no idea when The Admiralty and AEW -- a book that is actually in the post to them (or even in their warehouse) -- will arrive. 





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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2012, 04:34:41 pm »
Previous experience has suggested ordering directly is more reliable for this kind of publication.
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« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2012, 05:31:43 pm »
I also suspect that Chris gets more of the money if you order direct. 

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« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2012, 06:06:19 pm »
Should I cancel my amazon order then or have they just not updated the site?  How reliable is the transport bookshop on amazon's claim that they have copies?  I must confess I don't know or want to know how to use paypal :(

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2012, 09:39:27 pm »
I also suspect that Chris gets more of the money if you order direct.


Very much so.
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2012, 02:31:07 am »
My copy slipped through the letter box this morning. Fantastic service!
 
I have leafed through it excitedly before coming out for a busy day. It is up to the usual
high standard and jam packed with goodies.
 
Reading the section on the BAC 583 AEW prompts me to try and find a photocopy I made
years ago from Interavia magazine from about 1964 of a drawing of the vstol BAC 583V
with two under fuselage pods and a curious radome over the fuselage which is similar to
the mushroom in your book.  If I can find it I will post it here as it makes a nice addition.
 
If the RAF version is as good it will be a bumper year. 
 
Oh yes, go direct to Chris it is well worth it.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2012, 04:53:01 am »
Thanks for the positive feedback. If I'm at home I can usually ship the same day, if not they'll get sent at the weekend.

There are a few studies that I could find no additional info on. The first was the Gannet fitted with turbofans and the second was the 583V AEW variant, which I began to think was mythical. A drawing would be much appreciated. Oddly enough after months of searching for the BAC.169 and drawing a blank, I stumbed upon it quite by chance in a file at Brooklands.

PRO refs. Personally I'd rather use the two pages that these would fill for depressing stories and drawings, but if you'd like a list, drop me a line or meet me for a brew at Kew next week.

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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2012, 06:15:11 am »
Just got mine. Excellent. Having read proofs via PDF I think having it as a book makes a big difference to how it feels to own as a product - as with the P.1216 book (still available for fast shipping from link below for anyone who saw it only in the AEW book!).
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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2012, 07:30:45 am »

        When I looked at both amazon uk & amazon usa yesterday they both showed out of stock. Rather than take a chance on them never coming in stock, I ordered directly from Chris.


I've ordered my copy from amazon.  Is this ok?


When I access Amazon.co.uk, they still show The Admiralty and AEW as "Temporarily out of stock.  Order now and we'll deliver when available. We'll e-mail you with an estimated delivery date as soon as we have more information. "  Are you getting a more definitive status message? 

What I find amusing is that Amazon.co.uk confidently assures me that The Air Staff and AEW will be in on precisely 18 June 2012 even though they apparently have no idea when The Admiralty and AEW -- a book that is actually in the post to them (or even in their warehouse) -- will arrive. 

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2012, 09:13:07 am »
Amazon's process can be a bit slow; for the P.1216 book it took them several weeks after they'd received the books to show it as available and start dispatching orders.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2012, 09:22:44 am »
Got my copy just three days after I've ordered directly from Chris, excellent service, many thanks !
Haven't read carefully still yet, will start this evening, but just by browsing through quickly, I was
surprised by the vast amount of designs. Really looks great !
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2012, 03:47:25 pm »
Excellent Service! ;D  Superb work.  ;D I cannot believe I am the first Yank to order. What's wrong guys. Thanks Chris keep it up! :)


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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #61 on: January 27, 2012, 11:10:03 pm »
Wow, my copy arrived today already - in New Zealand!


Nice work, Chris, Royal Mail & NZ Post :)


Quick glance through looks very interesting, will post a review tomorrow.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2012, 02:50:13 am »
I've had a quick look through the book; one question that remains is this: was there a relationship between the FASS radar system in the P.139 et al and the setup used in the Nimrod AEW.3?
According to http://www.spyflight.co.uk/Nim%20aew.htm, the Nimrod system was the result of trying to get the FASS idea to work. I.e. the system became much too large to be carried by the likes of the P.139. Was there a solution to this in the works? E.g. offloading the processing to a ship?


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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2012, 07:16:06 am »
Excellent Service! ;D  Superb work.  ;D I cannot believe I am the first Yank to order. What's wrong guys. Thanks Chris keep it up! :)


Jim


Actually other yanks have ordered too.  My copy arrived yesterday and i'm really enjoying it. 




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« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2012, 11:59:00 am »
Indeed, but Jim's is inscribed as such.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2012, 02:14:38 am »
I hope this works. Here is a drawing of the AEW aircraft from Issue 3 of Interavia
magazine from 1962.  These large format Swiss magazines are a goldmine. I photocopied
some pages years ago, but I think the original mags are quite easy to find.
 
Although not mentioned the AEW kit is clearly visible and the aircraft has the hallmarks
of the Hawker 583V.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2012, 03:02:05 pm »
Bought your book Chris, fascenating read and much appreciated.

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« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2012, 05:05:12 am »
I hope this works. Here is a drawing of the AEW aircraft from Issue 3 of Interavia
magazine from 1962.  These large format Swiss magazines are a goldmine. I photocopied
some pages years ago, but I think the original mags are quite easy to find.
 
Although not mentioned the AEW kit is clearly visible and the aircraft has the hallmarks
of the Hawker 583V.


Hmm, this looks like a speculative magazine artist's impression. Its Hawker from the side and Vickers from the top. The 583V was a Vickers, not Hawker design.
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« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2012, 10:11:15 am »
Caption - "A single lift and thrust engine with a bypass blower and rotary jets. Variable wing sweep."

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2012, 02:19:31 am »
Mike
 
You are right the designs are "generic", drawn for the magazine by an artist but all in the same
Hawker style.  That is why I wrote Hawker instead of Vickers.  Also I got the issue number wrong
I think it is 5 rather than 3.
 
The drawing is a Hawker and Chris Gibson knows more. so I will let him explain. Shame its not the AEW
583, in fact its not AEW at all.....
 
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2012, 09:33:29 am »

      Got my copies in the mail (in the US of A) yesterday. Both books are very interesting, thanks Chris!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2012, 01:31:16 pm »
Evening all,

I was at the Hawker Archive at Brooklands the other day and had a look through a few files. In one file is a copy of the original drawing of UK75's VG VTOL type. It is a Hawker study (well, when I say study, BR3V might be more apt) for a swing-wing V/STOL  It was drawn by Roy Braybrook (before he wrote for Air International he was a Hawker designer, who scribbled away at a desk at the back of the design office) and the dorsal lump is a saddle tank.

I did wonder if this design was a response to (or the inspiration for) the Vickers Type 583V.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2012, 06:55:36 am »
Can I just say, what a fantastic book Mr Gibson, you've done it again! So many aew designs but so little end product. Should have come as no surprise really! Minor note, have the two diagrams on page 13 been accidently been mixed up or am I reading it wrong?

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2012, 09:32:21 am »
You've been on the sauce. The top one is the mushroom, bottom one is the rotodome. Frustratingly the Admiralty used the two terms interchangeably for a while.

Glad you like it. I enjoyed doing the research and was pleased to see that the latest codename for the latest RN AEW programme is "Crow's Nest". They must've read the draft.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2012, 09:47:58 pm »
Just receive my copy :) :) :) .
Very clear and interesting.
Beautiful drawings.
Thanks Chris!
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2012, 02:27:29 pm »
Just started reading my copy, today.....
As I've said before, aircraft are never ugly, rather, they are purposeful, or the result of form following function.
Got to say, there are a hell of a lot of functional aircraft in this book......


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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #76 on: March 15, 2012, 07:10:18 am »
I'll be at the National Archives at Kew tomorrow (Friday) and Saturday if anyone fancies a pint/brew/blah.

PM me if you'll be around.

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2012, 07:37:26 pm »
Hi Chris:


Just heard from Amazon that the delivery date for the new The Air Staff and AEW has been pushed back to the indefinite future. I've been really looking forward to seeing this as a companion to The Admiralty and AEW. 


Do you have an updated release date? 


Thank you.




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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2012, 10:00:58 pm »
I would suspect that Chris will be focusing on his 'Battle Flight'- British Air Defence post war projects book that he is writing for Crecy, as thats due for publication at the end of October. With this book being under contract it will no doubt have priority over his own self published titles, but once that book has been signed off and sent for printing then Chris can get on with finishing off his other works. Just be patient it will get published and we have the advantage that Battle Flight will no doubt cover some of the AEW aspect and put it into context  :)

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #79 on: June 27, 2012, 09:55:45 am »
And i thought Nimrod AEW3 looked ugly but compared the the Dumb-bell Buccaneer, its Supermodel!!!

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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2012, 05:21:36 am »
Hi Chris
With the inclusion of RAF AEW in your forthcoming Battle Flight book, will this mean you deferring this "Air Staff & AEW" book for the time being ?
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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #81 on: November 25, 2012, 07:53:41 am »
Hi Chris:


I'm really enjoying Battle Flight.  Again a meticulously researched and well written book full of new information.     


Now that it is out, do you have an updated expected date for the completion of The Air Staff and AEW?  My copy of The Admiralty and AEW is getting lonely!


Thank you very much.




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Re: The Admiralty and AEW: Royal Navy Airborne Early Warning Projects
« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2013, 12:55:33 pm »
In the April 2013 issue of the French aviation magazine 'Le fana de l'aviation' there is an article about British and French AEW projects written by Alexis Rocher. Data, pictures and drawings (e.g. the Hawker P139) are contributed by Chris Gibson.
The French AEW project SA-X-137 is mentioned.
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« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2015, 09:32:29 pm »
Note that the Aviation Bookshop have some copies of this at Telford today. If you don't have it, take a look and buy a copy!
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« Reply #84 on: November 23, 2016, 01:11:32 pm »
Don't you boys ever rummage about on Amazon? Most disappointed by your sleuthing skills, so expect a visit from Archdeacon Robert...

Hope the attached BAC A2 will keep you interested.

Seriously, Adrian is finalising the layout as I type and then Ed the Geordie printer will be doing his trick with ink and paper, hopefully before the forthcoming mini ice-age shuts the UK down. Happy to report no photos of Maggie but other scary things, such as aircraft that will give you nightmares.

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That's so cool!
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