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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2009, 11:44:40 pm »

have just watched in full at rewind
really great operator's job and idea
...and some great places to see
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« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2009, 02:13:15 am »

Oh to be a fly on the wall at NG's model shop!
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« Reply #47 on: July 09, 2009, 09:18:53 am »

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The question is:
In your post you say (shockonlip) there is no Nazi stuff in the documentary. Then, that second part has been deleted from the final edition. Is that true?

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Just watched today. My personal own review:

As a documentary

Part one, Northrop Grumman work, excellent.
Part two: Wunderwaffen stuff (Yes, it exists Wink). Expendable, why do you need it when you have a real captivating story at Northrop Grumman.  Should have been deleted. No need to add absurd "what if"

As a TV show

It's pretty well produced. I enjoyed the models and animations very much.


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« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2009, 04:37:49 pm »

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« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2009, 12:31:20 am »

shockonlip,

I’ve found your review very informative and thanks to it I'm really interested now in watching the documentary.

But I'm a bit confused too.

In the first posts of this threat, Stuka clearly told us the documentary has two parts:

1st part) The construction of a Ho 229 replica and its RCS testing at Northrop Grumman.

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the real stars of this show will be the people of
Northrop Grumman. Most of the time, details of their work
are closely held inside the company, but this is an oppor-
tunity to show the world how Northrop Grumman people
excel at what they do.


2nd part) A brief story of the design and contruction of the original Ho 229 prototypes at Germany  in 1945. The last days of the III Reich.

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It’s widely acknowledged that Germany won the
‘aviation technology’ battle in WW2

could the German “bat-winged” stealth aircraft have eluded Allied
radar and changed the course of the war?

Had Germany been able to field this jet-powered fly-
ing wing before the end of World War II, how would it
have performed against Allied aircraft? Did the Germans
incorporate rudimentary low-observable elements into the
Ho 229? Could it have eluded British radar long enough
to make Germany’s London bombing campaign succeed?
These are some of the tantalizing questions the documen-
tary will try to answer.


The first part is great. It's what you describe. Very interesting facts. I'd love to see that documentary.
The second part caused controversy in our forum. Most members posting in this topic had argued with documented sources showing its speculative nature.

The question is:

In your post you say there is no Nazi stuff in the documentary. Then, that second part has been deleted from the final edition. Is that true?


Regards,

Antonio


PS: After reading all the posts in the Topic again I have been reading carefully NG's website (following the link Gery posted). I must admit that despite showing some biased facts about the Ho 229 (obviosly to support interest in the documentary), information about wuderwaffen is mostly honest and serious.



Hi Antonio.

I think I confused you. My mistake.

When, at the end of my review, I said:
"Notice, no Nazi stuff above!"

By "above" I meant just my review. In other words, I was
utterly enjoying the show about Northrop and I was also
quite taken with the beauty of the Ho 229 as an aircraft
and enjoyed the 1940s artwork and the shots of the finished
model - neat angles.

I have opinions about if this aircraft really would
have changed the outcome of the war or not as well, but since
there was so much rift on this site over that aspect, I just
wanted to make sure my fellow web site members didn't miss
the really cool stuff about Northrop and the airplane itself.

Regards!

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« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2009, 07:32:33 am »

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By "above" I meant just my review

You're right, I misunderstood. Please accept my apologies.

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« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2009, 09:42:13 am »

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By "above" I meant just my review

You're right, I misunderstood. Please accept my apologies.

Regards,

Antonio


Hey Dude - no problem !
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« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2009, 09:17:37 am »

just look at here..

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Z07Kt4pjh04&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Z07Kt4pjh04&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/q43nKosJj8c&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/q43nKosJj8c&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/jzUKeBZ8QDY&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/jzUKeBZ8QDY&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/zwMHU6k1bBU&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/zwMHU6k1bBU&rel=1</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/whqzkotiU_c&rel=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/whqzkotiU_c&rel=1</a>
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« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2009, 11:14:06 am »

Here http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/Overview
National geographics announces another sensational story:
"The sinking of Hitlers Supership" !
No, they don't speak about the Bismarck or Tirpitz, but about the Wilhelm Gustloff !     Grin

Good work was done by the guys from Northrop and probably at lot of others and to
claim such sensations may be necessary for getting enough TV viewers, but I'm reminded
a little bit too much of those newspapers with the big, fat letters on the frontpage.
Not really a guarantor for serious and unbiased research, to my opinion.
So, if the Ho/Go 229 was really intended as a "stealthplane", or just had quite a low RCS
accidentally, due to its aerodynamic layout will remain an open question, as long as more
serious research is done !
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« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2009, 12:09:57 pm »

This is the final evidence, that the Horten brothers were secretly developing the stealth fighter with the lowest RCS possible and then they sold it to the Uncle Sam...  Cheesy

Regarding the TV document, I agree with the opinion written by Jemiba.
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« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2009, 05:53:58 pm »

I think it's noteworthy that the Northrop engineers mentioned a 20% decrease in detection range (compared to what? 109?), which I can believe. Looks like the decrease in reaction time came mostly from speed though, not stealth (something NatGeo is not keen to emphasize). it was also pretty cool to see the radar range and the simulation room.

The CGI parts stray from reality a lot. How are the 229s taking out the radar towers? those proved to be difficult targets even for pinpoint Stuka attacks during the battle of Britain. And they are using...cannon fire? Also, 229s turning with Spitfires? those early turbojets would have had VERY limited range at high speed and low altitude.

Anyway, good job Northrop - Boo National Geographic.

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« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2009, 04:29:25 pm »

For British forum members. the documentary is being shown on National Geographic Channel at 9pm Tuesday 4th August.
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