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Space Suit Prototypes (like Grumman Moon Suit, Republic etc)
« on: November 23, 2008, 01:58:28 am »
here some of crazy space suits ever build the "Tincan"

Moon suit by Grumman in year 1959
Hard shell suit with flexible arms and Legs
Note no Live support system in Suit but a Umbilical supply with electric power and oxygen ! ! !

bigger size pic (from the Mohave desert test)
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Moon+Suit+source:life&imgurl=f4fde44ae0ea8ecf
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=Moon+Suit+source:life&imgurl=f4fde44ae0ea8ecf
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Moon+Suit+source:life&imgurl=381aefdde012e507
http://images.google.com/hosted/life/f?q=Moon+Suit+source:life&imgurl=ac77457f7f6f5d6f
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Re: Space Suit Prototypes (like Grumman Moon Suit, Republic etc)
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 06:08:59 am »
That is not a very elegant design but it allows you to scratch your nose ...
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 06:10:55 am »
That is not a very elegant design but it allows you to scratch your nose ...
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 06:56:47 am »
wonderfull Picture justo

Picture Escamear00006 show the sleep position for astronaut
who ever is there still the question with "badroom" in this suit  ::)


celci es pas une Grumman Moon Suit
but a earlier Republic study
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 08:38:43 am »
No hands no legs
"Bottle suit" from Dr Heins Habor and Willy Ley 1954
"Physiology of man in space" Brown JHV 1963
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 09:17:12 am »
cool picture

back Grumman Lunar explartion suit mk I
1960 Designed by Allyn B. Hazard (no Joke, thats the men real name)
here better grafic with more data


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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 12:06:45 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 12:54:06 pm »


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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2008, 12:04:58 am »
That is not a very elegant design but it allows you to scratch your nose ...
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2008, 10:29:24 am »
"I've fallen, and I can't get up"  ;)  :D

...Actually, there's a "neck ring" that was supposed to help prevent that as well as helping keep the glass from smashing if the Astronaut fell down. Much of the worry that a stumbling moonwalker couldn't get back up came from some of the early Mercury suit tests in the "Vomit Comet", where it was more an issue of suit mobility that caused the problem than man's "inability" to deal with < 1G.


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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2008, 12:19:10 am »
One of the problems in designing spacesuits is that once you apply 1 atmosphere of pressure on the inside of the suit, it freezes and locks the joints which would work freely when 1 atmosphere of pressure applied on the inside and the outside.  I remember reading an entire book devoted to the development of the spacesuit which traced its history back through various early pressure suits and that was perhaps the biggest problem they had to overcome.

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2008, 05:01:05 am »
Grumman Lunar exploration suit mk I was part of a Aerojet Lunarflight Proposal
here the  link
http://www.apollomissionphotos.com/index_apollo_aerojet.html

and here also Interesting picture
is this a Spacesuit testing or just publicity picture ?

from here
http://www.yunchtime.net/?m=200710
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2008, 08:26:44 am »
Publicity?  :D

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2008, 08:28:54 am »
Publicity?   ;)
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2008, 10:03:45 am »
and here also in tressting picture

Could be both, to contrast with how unbelievably bulky the previous suits were (which don't come off as suits so much as one-man, wearer-powered vehicles)
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It's a crappy self-made pic of a Lockheed Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), BTW
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2008, 09:40:02 pm »
and here also in tressting picture
is this a Spacesuit testing or just publicity picture ?

I think you'll find thats a partial pressure suit for use by pilots in high altitude flights.  Not a spacesuit.  If you look, the boots aren't pressure boots.  Nor is there any physical join between them and the suit.  He also appears to be wearing a g-vest.
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2008, 10:55:41 am »
I think you'll find that's a partial pressure suit for use by pilots in high altitude flights.  Not a spacesuit.  If you look, the boots aren't pressure boots.  Nor is there any physical join between them and the suit.  He also appears to be wearing a g-vest.

i found the suit on picture, is a 1958 B. F. Goodrich Mark III for the Navy
later it became Mark IV and Mercury Spacesuit
on the picture is still the dark gray nylon outer shell Instead the later aluminum-coated nylon of Mercury suit


you don't need pressure boots on this suit, they had neoprene rubber "socks" to ensure that the suit was airtight
only the black leather safety boots needed
but for Mercury suit the boots were later aluminum-coated nylon leather. (This was for thermal control.)


on last Mercury flight the "boots" as an integral part of the spacesuit itself.

the picture show the Mercury suit with black "Socks" source NASA
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2009, 06:53:48 am »
here a English Space Suit prototype


the Windak suit in unusual test environment   ;D

by way it seem they made also unusual test with Apollo space suits
the legend tells of American football game in suits to test agility
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2009, 08:31:52 pm »
Just in case you don't know, there's a new model company I believed called Monarch Models that has plans of releasing a model of the Life Cover model moon suit soon.  Hopefully they will be at Wonderfest this year with some updates.

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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2009, 11:37:55 pm »
Just in case you don't know, there's a new model company I believed called Monarch Models that has plans of releasing a model of the Life Cover model moon suit soon.  Hopefully they will be at Wonderfest this year with some updates.

...Word I heard on this one on another modeling forum a few months back is that it's been shelved. Monarch has made a lot of new kit announcements, but only three kits have been produced so far, and one of them is just a glow-in-the-dark reissue of their first kit.

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2009, 04:21:23 am »
here a English Space Suit prototype

What is the history to this one? Was this actually a true space suit or just a pressure suit?
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2009, 06:32:24 am »
I'm no expert but i didn't think it was a spacesuit - though in a way it did get to the moon and space;)

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2009, 10:53:45 am »
I'm no expert but i didn't think it was a spacesuit - though in a way it did get to the moon and space;)

those movie suite were used also in episode of "Department S"

on British Spacesuits
is paradox that they study spacesuit design, but abandon all efforts for Space flights
and end in movies and Tv

bloody labor politics  >:(

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2009, 01:54:42 pm »
It was the Lunar Module pilot suits from "First Men In The Moon" that reappeared in Dept S "The Man From X" with different helmets rather than the ones I posted ;)

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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2009, 11:29:39 am »
here something new
thats Niel Armstrong in Spacesuit

but this is not a Mercury Spacesuit or Gemini Spacesuit
but which one ?
 
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2009, 01:23:34 pm »
It was a G3-C a prototype for the actual G4-C suits used during Gemini programme.
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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2009, 09:15:16 am »
Additional G3-C info ...

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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2009, 11:04:38 am »
I'm no expert but i didn't think it was a spacesuit - though in a way it did get to the moon and space;)



Is the top image from First Men in the Moon (1964)?

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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2009, 12:05:06 pm »
Not quite a spacesuit...I believe that's a Vulcan tail warning radar next to it.

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« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2009, 12:40:34 pm »
 what  about the Russian or Chinese space suits?

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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2009, 06:34:03 am »
here a Chinese space suit

the Date is unclear, but its before Shenzhou

picture source
http://www.capcomespace.net/dossiers/chine/shenzhou.htm
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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2009, 11:34:58 am »
we had British spacesuit prototype and how they end in Movie and TV

but this beat them all

P Frankenstein and Sons Ltd. (which later became the Frankenstein Group Ltd),
was founded in 1854 and had a base at the Victoria Rubber Works in Newton Heath.

in 1960`s they made prototypes spacesuit for RAF
and in 1967 Space suit for Stanley Kubrick ‘2001: A Space Odyssey. !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/articles/2007/01/10/100107_spacesuit_feature.shtml
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2009, 02:55:00 pm »
From always great www.blog.modernmechanix.com

Energency Pressure Cell (first pic) is absolutely FABOULOS

more + hi-res versions here http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/05/18/heres-what-well-wear-in-space/
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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2009, 03:03:14 pm »
...The first pic demonstrates what happens to Gumby when you cut him in half  :D :D

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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2009, 09:47:06 pm »
 ;D

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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2009, 12:26:56 pm »
some times i find nice Information
but this a T-Bone Stake on Space Suits Information

Discovery Moon Machines episode Spacesuit
i see a astronaut playing  football in suit
Leblanc almost deathly accident in vacuum camber
and the best is on You tube (also in HD) YHIEEPEE


Part 1


Part 2


Part 3 (the Urin collector "Problem")


Part 4 (ILC Football game)


Part 5 (Leblanc accident in vaccum camber)
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2009, 01:51:00 am »

Hi,

Super postings very interesting,
UK, Commonwealth Military Manned Space programme cancellation June 1960 before Labour/Wilson Government, suspects, Macmillan, Zuckerman and primary culprit Mountbatten?  That sort of Space Suit work is not done for fun by private companies and paid for by taxpayers money with out a real purpose

Following the lead, “The film depicts the 1960s astronaut space suit run-of-the-mill film prop spacesuits with a 1960s-type aqualung cylinder each instead of a NASA-type life support backpack”



Has anyone a picture of the Normalair Spacesuit life support back pack shown at Farnborough circa 1962?

Or a good picture of the Farnborough emergency standard wear skin suit and flexible “handbag” helmet for use on UK space stations or re-entry vehicles?

Not Space suit just under water breathing but did Cmd Crab use a carbon dioxide removal system at Gibraltar in WW2, submarine escape apparatus read/heard about it 1956 so could be wrong?

Once again super posting very interesting thread.

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« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2010, 11:20:43 am »
i love Youtube

here is a nice film of Garret AiResearch EX-1A test


the EX-1A aka NASA Contract NAS 9-7555 Phase B
is hard shell space suite with 5 Psi

EX-1A was shortly consider as Apollo Spacesuit for Mission 18 to 20
but those mission were scraped
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« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2010, 11:50:17 am »
Thank you Michel for that interesting video clip. I had only seen still photographs of the Garrett AiResearch EX-1A hardsuit before and was wondering how flexible it was.

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2010, 04:04:18 pm »
A good reference is Suiting Up For Space by Lloyd Mallan, 1971. Mostly American, it includes the XMC-2-ILC,  XMC-2-DC, prototype suit for the X-20 Dyna-Soar, plus wartime designs, a few German full pressure suits, and mention of British and Italian work.





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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2010, 12:32:35 am »
the video was suprice for me too
never know how good flexible EX-1A is
sadly they never used it in Space
Garret AiResearch EX-1A also know as LAAP
Lunar advance Apollo program
for prolonged Apollo 18,19,20,21 Mission
source:
Book - U.S. Space Gear, outfitting the astronauts, page 157

another Hardspace suit consider was for MOL Program
the Litton RX-3 Hardsuit


Idea: the Crew can survive Bail out in high altitude
Source:
Book US Spacesuits ?


on good Space Suit books

U.S. Space Gear, outfitting the astronauts
by lillian D. Kozioski
ISBN 1-85310-515-5
238 page over 150 photos and illustration !
its start with pressure suit for USAAF in 1940s
over USAF, X-20 Suit to Mercury and Gemini Suit
Then Development of Apollo Suit,  Skylab
Space shuttle EVA suit and Experimental Suits like RX and AX series
and the history of Garret AiResearch EX-1A Suit.

From PRAXIS
US Spacesuits
Kenneth S. Thomas and Harold J. McMann
432 pages, over 100 design models of 13 manufacturers !
ISBN 978-0-387-27919-0

Russian Space Suits
Isaak P. Abramov and As. Ingemar Skoog
400 pages, from first pressure suit over Vostok, Soyuz lunarsuit to latest suits in 2003
ISBN: 978-1-85233-732-2
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« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2010, 08:05:44 am »
German prototype around 1944/45 in a Go 229 / Horten H IX
got someone more info on that suit ?

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« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2010, 08:59:39 am »
It's one model of suit developed by German Draeger firm during wartimes, Mark Wade has some brief note about that:

http://www.astronautix.com/craft/drarsuit.htm

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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2010, 10:10:06 am »
Michel,

a bit more info is here:
http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/h/Hoehenanzug/Hoehenanzug%20Watanzug.html

I take it the German text won't present a challenge to you  ;).

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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2010, 10:44:57 am »
From
-Spaceflight ,112,march 1969
-Project Natter by Brett Gooden
-Unknown source

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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2010, 01:39:14 pm »
The Aeroplane 20 March 1959 page 350.

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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2010, 01:51:34 pm »
Michel,

a bit more info is here:
http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/h/Hoehenanzug/Hoehenanzug%20Watanzug.html

I take it the German text won't present a challenge to you  ;).

Martin
THX for link Martin, i understand the text

short translation:
the Suit (on picture below) is some time called WATANZUG by Drägerwerk
but WATANAZUG short for "Anzug zum waten im Wasser"
in English "A suit for work in water"
and was used by groundcrew for moving seaplans on trolley and then move plane on Land.
therefore WATANZUG (Fl 31225 ) is NOT a Pressuresuit


This suit is presumable developed by Horten brother (not yet confirmed)

and again special thanks to Justo Miranda for Picture

The Aeroplane 20 March 1959 page 350.

Regards,
Barry

Nice Find Barry ! ! !
the P Frankenstein and Sons Ltd. prototypes spacesuit for RAF
they made also the Space suit for Stanley Kubrick ‘2001: A Space Odyssey. !
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« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2010, 01:39:19 pm »
Spark,

does this have anything to do with the foldaway helmet you mentioned earlier?

Regards,
Barry

ps from Aviation Engineering somewhen between 1960-65.

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« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2010, 01:51:24 pm »
nice find Barrington !
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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2010, 10:43:22 pm »
...Of course, we can't forget the original. Had Wiley Post invented this just a couple of decades later, we'd be calling it "The Gumby":





(Sources? Trace the URL or a Google and you'll find about a hundred images of this classic)

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« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2010, 01:10:32 am »
What aircraft is the individual wearing the WATANAZUG sat in?

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« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2010, 12:29:13 pm »
What aircraft is the individual wearing the WATANAZUG sat in?

that not a Watanzug, but a unknown pressure suit ( see Reply #49 here)
the aircraft is a Ho IX or his Testglider Ho IX V1

on Wiley Post suit
it was used on High altitude records with aircraft back in 1935
is that true that Wiley Post in suit after emergency landing,
almost was shoot by farmer because the guy think that Post was a Martian ?
 
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« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2010, 05:55:26 pm »
Please excuse my lack of umlauts.

In the German-English book, Nurfluegel by Reimar Horten and Peter F. Selinger, there is a good photo of a man wearing the pressure suit. Clearly visible is a ring near the shoulder and a ring at the wrist. The caption reads:

Test with the pilot pressure suit.

Test mit dem Hoehendruckanzug im Cockpit der H IX V-1. (Photo H. Scheidhauer)  Page 139.


In the book Suiting Up For Space by Llloyd Mallan, he writes:


"Finally, the Draegerwerke people hit upon a solution to this annoying problem. They eliminated all structural supports and tubes and cast the main portion of the helmet as a cylinder of clear plexiglass. On top of the cylinder they cemented a dome, also of plexiglass.

"Ultimately, the emergency pressure suit transcended its initial design concept and was worn as a full-time suit in unpressurized cabins of aircraft flying above 40,000 feet."

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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2010, 07:00:30 pm »
is that true that Wiley Post in suit after emergency landing, almost was shoot by farmer because the guy think that Post was a Martian ?  

...The way the story goes as I've heard it over the years, he was forced to land on a farm when his featherlight quit on him. The farmer thought he was a "man from Mars", and held him at bay with a pitchfork until Wiley was able to convince the farmer he was nothing but an Earthling. The story, like any wild story that's true, picks up additional embellishments over the years, to where versions are retold where Will Rogers was on board with him, to both he *and* Rogers were wearing the pressure suits, all of which also included the farmer being armed with a double-barreled shotgun; in one retelling, the shotgun was replaced with a Springfield the farmer's father supposedly used to "shoot goddamn damnyankees!" in the War Betwixt the States.

While the incident *did* take place, the one thing I've never heard confirmed was whether he was wearing the suit or not.

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« Reply #57 on: November 03, 2010, 12:30:24 pm »
i found  this space suit

i don't know, but is this a french suit ?

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« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2010, 11:44:46 am »
What an nobody has mentioned the "Space Leotards" yet? Ultimate "space-suit" is the skin you're in, with a little help that is.
http://chapters.marssociety.org/winnipeg/sas.html
http://davidszondy.com/future/space/SAS.htm
http://mvl.mit.edu/EVA/biosuit/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_activity_suit

And lastly the originally research(ers) have an active development company for the suit:
http://www.elasticspacesuit.com/

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« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2010, 12:04:57 pm »
Probably needs a new thread but....

Well THIS was something that should have been tried a while ago!
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-10/superhero-style-skin-tight-spacesuit-provides-healthy-compression-astronauts

Elastic underwear to prevent bone loss...

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« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2010, 02:01:59 pm »
"Space Leotards" aka "Skin Suit" or in NASA English "Space Activity Suit"

is a radical different approach to Space suit
current Space suit are pressure vessel, were Air produce the pressure.
the "Space Activity Suit" use the tension of suit skin to produce pressure !

the only one how appreciate this concept are S-F Cover artist & Illustrators
who put voluptuous space woman's in ultra tight skin suit...
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« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2010, 02:04:30 pm »
"Space Leotards" aka "Skin Suit" or in NASA English "Space Activity Suit"

is a radical different approach to Space suit
current Space suit are pressure vessel, were Air produce the pressure.
the "Space Activity Suit" use the tension of suit skin to produce pressure !
One type of suit I neglected to add to my post as an 'example' is the "Chameleon" space suit:
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/chameleon_suit_021106.html
http://www.asgsb.org/bulletins/v16n2/v16n2p107-120.pdf
http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/714Hodgson.pdf

was/is an attempt to "bridge-the-gap" between a full pressure suit and the more efficent MCP designs. Unfortunatly as noted in the cited references, we aren't "quite-there" yet in terms of usable technology. I highly suspect that this is institutional "bias" because there is a lot of work invested in current pressure suits and their manufacturing and the MCP suit would need just about NONE of that technology or know-how. (And it doesn't help that several of the "formost" space suit design experts in the world are utterly convinced that the Mechanical-Counter-Pressure suit doesn't work, has never worked and will never work. An opinion they place the full weight of their reputation and "expertise" behind unfortunatly)

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the only one how appreciate this concept are S-F Cover artist & Illustrators
who put voluptuous space woman's in ultra tight skin suit...
Un-True Sir! Quite UN-True!
(All of us "male" space and science fiction fans APPRECIATED both the concept AND the art work! Purly for illustrative purpose only you understand... ;) )

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« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2011, 09:28:29 am »
Interavia No.11 1955

Caption: A full pressure suit developed by the Ministry Of Supply for stratosphere pilots (and space travellers).
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« Reply #63 on: May 10, 2011, 12:26:00 pm »
nice find, Barrington Bond

that British suit still use a Oxygen mask
while the US suits of 1954 are more advance
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« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2011, 09:48:35 am »
I'm no expert but i didn't think it was a spacesuit - though in a way it did get to the moon and space;)

those movie suite were used also in episode of "Department S"

on British Spacesuits
is paradox that they study spacesuit design, but abandon all efforts for Space flights
and end in movies and Tv

bloody labor politics  >:(



Interesting.
No Profumo scandal and a correct  medical diagnosis for Harold McMillan= a Briton in orbit in late 60s?

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« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2011, 06:18:33 pm »
No Profumo scandal and a correct  medical diagnosis for Harold McMillan= a Briton in orbit in late 60s?

Here is the political and propaganda, in the flag-waving sense problem.  By the late 60s, the US and USSR were in the final lap of a race to the moon.  Putting a man in orbit was old news.  To do so would be issuing a very expensive press release saying "UK 5 years behind in technology". 

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« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2011, 06:33:02 pm »
Putting a man in orbit was old news. 

Well,seems that China disagrees on this point.
Seriously,is true (or probable) that with McMillan (or another Conservative Prime Minister) at n 10 downing street in 1965-1969 would have a some British (or Commonwealth,or UK-France) manned program?
were projects for this in early 60s?
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« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2011, 02:30:17 am »
Amazing thread! I can't help but find a strange Teletubbies/Magic Roundabout quality to this image of the Grumman suit...


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« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2011, 10:43:55 am »
From Spark "Has anyone a picture of the Normalair Spacesuit life support back pack shown at Farnborough circa 1962?"

Could this be it? From the cover of a Westland Companies brochure undated but the latest date mentioned in it is 1966.

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« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2011, 11:22:11 am »
nice compact British life support back pack  :D

I look for Picture of ILC Apollo Suit later Prototypes
after A7L they had something called "Omega Spacesuit" study
Wat let to A8L and A9L prototype
if my source are right
much of A9L was used on Later A7LB spacesuit
on A8L had was a two piece suit similar
like today Extravehicular Mobility Unit
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« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2011, 08:11:29 am »
Barry,
 Fantastic, you may be right, but there is a mystery the suit looks like an early Frankenstein, middle, second half fifties model but with what is effectively a liquid oxygen life support back pack suitable for EVA? 
Was the Farnborough early sixties’ suit a later more flexible design with a similar back pack?
Did the BIS proposal for a moon vehicle/mobile base early sixties have an illustration of a life support pack with suit?
   


From Spark "Has anyone a picture of the Normalair Spacesuit life support back pack shown at Farnborough circa 1962?"

Could this be it? From the cover of a Westland Companies brochure undated but the latest date mentioned in it is 1966.

Regards,
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« Reply #71 on: May 29, 2011, 06:40:01 am »
i love Youtube

here is a nice film of Garret AiResearch EX-1A test


the EX-1A aka NASA Contract NAS 9-7555 Phase B
is hard shell space suite with 5 Psi

EX-1A was shortly consider as Apollo Spacesuit for Mission 18 to 20
but those mission were scraped

I found a Interview of Men inside EX-1A suit (on video)
it's Bill Elkins his Designer !
http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exploration/Space-Suits-Past-and-Future.html
and more picture
http://thefoxisblack.com/2011/02/18/space-suit-of-the-week-39/
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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2011, 06:37:57 am »
this time European Spacesuit proposal for Hermes spacecraft
the suit were similar to Soviet Orlan space suit of that time

sadly i got no source on the picture
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« Reply #73 on: August 12, 2011, 04:33:57 pm »
Here is the final Garret AiResearch Report on the EX-1A and the Advanced EVA Suit intended for Apollo 17-20.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710001702_1971001702.pdf

Note: Somehow part of an unrelated report by Fairchild-Hiller (On ATS-F?) is mixed up in the document. But the AiResearch report does include a crew assignment chart for 17-20 as the study even includes crew sizing.
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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2011, 11:23:33 am »
a little bit off topic
it about NASA inflight coverall garments, flight Suit and Jumpsuits color code

early inflight coverall garments was in Apollo white then Skylab ASTP brown and later Shuttle blue
had NASA consider another colors ?

Flight suit and Jumpsuits
i see allot picture of Astronauts in diversely colors suits
light or dark Blue,  orange, Yellow
is this some kind of color code ?
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« Reply #75 on: November 15, 2011, 04:36:19 pm »
As long as you don't have the red suit you're OK

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« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2011, 12:34:45 am »
As long as you don't have the red suit you're OK

ROFL that Star Trek red shirt humor ;D

NASA not use Red in ICG or Jumpsuits or Spacesuits
but the international orange color...
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« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2011, 04:59:53 am »
As long as you don't have the red suit you're OK

ROFL that Star Trek red shirt humor ;D

NASA not use Red in ICG or Jumpsuits or Spacesuits
but the international orange color...

...Ah, but Pete Conrad was wearing a red armband to denote his status as CDR! But since Pete passed away...well, you get the idea  ;D

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« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2011, 08:10:29 pm »
Does anyone have a component list with the cost of materials?

Just how much does it cost to make a EVA suit? 

I know that it has to be pressurized to 3.5 ~5  psi. to be comfortable.
Miai of a battleship is questionable
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« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2011, 05:53:03 pm »
An IVA suit developed by Garrett AiResearch between August 1968 - February 1970.

For the AAP missions?

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700011378_1970011378.pdf

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« Reply #81 on: November 20, 2011, 01:30:17 am »
A what seems to be a prototype shuttle space suit.

That part of "emergency intra-vehicular activity" studies for Shuttle in 1970s
This would feature a safer, more reliable, faster closing and lower leakage entry/closure system and
Also support reasonably rapid decompression from a 14.7 psi (1 atm) cabin pressure without risk of decompression sickness.
source: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/ILC-SpaceSuits-RevA.pdf

in end NASA had problems with budget, weight and volume constraints in the planned Shuttle...

An IVA suit developed by Garrett AiResearch between August 1968 - February 1970.

For the AAP missions?

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700011378_1970011378.pdf

Sorry i get only a death pdf that not open... :-\

Does anyone have a component list with the cost of materials?

Just how much does it cost to make a EVA suit? 

I know that it has to be pressurized to 3.5 ~5  psi. to be comfortable.



ood, the books i have about US space suit, don't have information on Suit Cost...
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« Reply #82 on: November 20, 2011, 02:29:29 am »
An IVA suit developed by Garrett AiResearch between August 1968 - February 1970.

For the AAP missions?

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700011378_1970011378.pdf

Sorry i get only a death pdf that not open... :-\
 

I've just checked the link and was able to get the PDF successfully, here's a link to the NTRS page.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=19700011378&hterms=intravehicular&qs=Ntx%3Dmode%2520matchall%26Ntk%3DTitle%26Ns%3DPublication-Date|0%26N%3D4294129243%26Ntt%3Dintravehicular


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« Reply #83 on: November 20, 2011, 06:30:29 pm »
I was told bu a friend that was fitted for a suit that they are $80,000.  But this was back in the mid 1990's.
The material costs are based off of the measurements of the person.  But things like hose hook ups and the helmet I couldn't even begin to guess about.

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« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2012, 02:31:04 am »
British presumably high altitude, flexible visor.
Anyone know anything about it?
 
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« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2012, 04:05:29 am »
British presumably high altitude, flexible visor.
Anyone know anything about it?

nope, is the first time i see an "net that hold plastic bag" helmet  !
for a moment i thought, to see a cheap movie prop for those italian Sci-fi movies...
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« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2012, 11:14:01 am »
Clipped this out of a report. It is a proposed Bendix work platform, essentially an early MMU. This dates from the late 1960s.

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« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2012, 03:44:43 pm »
Here another Video about Leblanc accident in Vacuum chamber
it only document accident were someone was expose to vacuum and survived it


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« Reply #89 on: March 12, 2012, 10:37:37 am »
Found some pictures of the AX-3 hardsuit design at the Retronaut picture blog: http://www.retronaut.co/2012/02/hardsuit-ax-3-space-suit-design-1977/

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« Reply #90 on: March 12, 2012, 11:06:37 am »
British presumably high altitude, flexible visor.
Anyone know anything about it?

Could it be this? http://www.astronautix.com/craft/typeb.htm

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« Reply #91 on: March 12, 2012, 12:54:45 pm »
Found some pictures of the AX-3 hardsuit design at the Retronaut picture blog: http://www.retronaut.co/2012/02/hardsuit-ax-3-space-suit-design-1977/


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« Reply #92 on: May 13, 2012, 12:38:59 pm »

British presumably high altitude, flexible visor.
Anyone know anything about it?



I found this here
it called the Type 51 full pressure suit
sadly i don't recalled were i found the picture on the internet

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« Reply #93 on: July 06, 2012, 06:35:27 am »
Many thanks Barry,
Normalair three and a half  litre stainless steel LOX unit, back pack mobility style.
One assumes for emergency use in Spacecraft? 
The full pressure UK suit (not Normalair) is middle latter half fifties
 
At that time Normalair’s spacesuit was known as the “tinman”, more like a suit of armour for a pregnant knight. The company considered by 1957/8 that it a was viable solution.
 
 
 
From Spark "Has anyone a picture of the Normalair Spacesuit life support back pack shown at Farnborough circa 1962?"

Could this be it? From the cover of a Westland Companies brochure undated but the latest date mentioned in it is 1966.

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« Reply #94 on: July 06, 2012, 10:46:24 pm »
Publicity?  :D


Not all of these images. The "For Sale" image was taken during STS-51A shuttle mission on Nov 14, 1984 when US Navy astronaut Dale A. Gardner offered for sale two Hughes communication sats (Palapa B2 and Westar 6) before they were brought back, down to Earth, for refurbishment and reuse (their apogee motor failed to ignite and the sats were damn stuck on LEO).
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« Reply #95 on: July 08, 2012, 09:18:59 pm »
We have two suits listed as prototypes in the museum's collection. Starting with the G2C. This one is in a glass case so I had to try to shoot around the reflections.
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« Reply #96 on: July 08, 2012, 09:43:10 pm »
This suit is only listed as a Gemini Spacesuit Prototype donated by McDonnell Douglas. It was already on that dumpy mannequin when it was donated to the museum. I've been told that this was the suit they (McDonnell Douglas) used to take to events and presentations so it has seen a lot of abuse.
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« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2012, 05:20:07 am »
Not really a space-suit. Emergency Oxygen Equipment developed by Hamilton Standard for the Space Shuttle.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19760009714_1976009714.pdf

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« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2012, 06:23:44 am »
Now for something rather mysterious. Plans without documentation which make me think of 'The Andromeda Strain' (film) for some reason.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19690014287_1969014287.pdf

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« Reply #99 on: July 09, 2012, 07:45:22 am »
Many thanks Barry,
Normalair three and a half  litre stainless steel LOX unit, back pack mobility style. Date 1958
One assumes for emergency use in Spacecraft?
 
The full pressure UK suit (not Normalair) is middle latter half fifties
 
At that time Normalair’s spacesuit was known as the “tinman”, more like a suit of armour for a pregnant knight. The company considered by 1957/8 that it a was viable solution.
 
This Normalair full pressure suit was made public in 1956; has any one seen any articles photos of this suit or the later Siebe Gorman full pressure suit.
 
From Spark "Has anyone a picture of the Normalair Spacesuit life support back pack shown at Farnborough circa 1962?"

Could this be it? From the cover of a Westland Companies brochure undated but the latest date mentioned in it is 1966.

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« Reply #100 on: July 09, 2012, 11:43:08 am »
Any idea which company's suit this is? circa 1956 as it appears in these unused Ideal Home Exhibition clips.
http://www.britishpathe.com  search for Ideal Home Exhibition 1956.
 
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« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2012, 12:42:41 pm »
i not sure but that one sitting suit
look like this one who is unpressure
a R&D from the Ministry Of Supply



funny part on video
that suit leaks and run empty like ballon...
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« Reply #102 on: July 09, 2012, 01:37:32 pm »
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but here's an excellent book about Apollo suit development:

Spacesuit: Fashioning Apollo (Nicholas de Monchaux, MIT Press)

http://amzn.com/026201520X

Lots of interesting stuff from an industrial design perspective.

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« Reply #103 on: July 09, 2012, 02:03:45 pm »
On the Pathe site search for Aircraft Equipment Tested and you should find a vid with these in..
 
 
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« Reply #104 on: July 09, 2012, 02:05:03 pm »
...and some more.
 
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« Reply #105 on: July 11, 2012, 03:52:03 am »
I've found a patent covering the plans I posted earlier:

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« Reply #106 on: July 11, 2012, 06:49:39 am »
Hi Barry,
 
The one standing I think is a USAF Semi Pressure Capstan suit used by RAE in the early fifties,
Canberra world altitude record.
Can any US give details please?
 Note sure about the other?
 
 
 
Any idea which company's suit this is? circa 1956 as it appears in these unused Ideal Home Exhibition clips.
http://www.britishpathe.com  search for Ideal Home Exhibition 1956.

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« Reply #107 on: July 30, 2012, 07:59:11 am »
Aperatus for dealing with a potentially dangerous condition.

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« Reply #108 on: July 30, 2012, 08:22:43 am »
that is a serious problem, see what happen during this test...
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« Reply #109 on: July 31, 2012, 07:30:53 am »
Hi Barry,
 
The one standing I think is a USAF Semi Pressure Capstan suit used by RAE in the early fifties,
Canberra world altitude record.
Can any US give details please?
Yup, bottom left picture on page 4 of this article:
http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Supporting_Life_at_80000_feet_SSuit_History_25Jan10.pdf
 
shows the suit and lists it as the USAF capstan type partial pressure suit, developed by Dr. James P. Henry of the University of Southern California in the late 40s.
 
Some good pictures (of many of the early pressure suits also) can be found here:
http://viking.coe.uh.edu/~gkitmacher/_content/spacesuits/spacesuits.pdf
 
Any idea which company's suit this is? circa 1956 as it appears in these unused Ideal Home Exhibition clips.
http://www.britishpathe.com  search for Ideal Home Exhibition 1956.

 
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« Reply #110 on: April 30, 2013, 05:15:10 am »
Hi Randy,
Many thanks for the post. I love the 1951 rescue cells.
 
 
 
Hi Barry,
 
The one standing I think is a USAF Semi Pressure Capstan suit used by RAE in the early fifties,
Canberra world altitude record.
Can any US give details please?
Yup, bottom left picture on page 4 of this article:
http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Supporting_Life_at_80000_feet_SSuit_History_25Jan10.pdf
 
shows the suit and lists it as the USAF capstan type partial pressure suit, developed by Dr. James P. Henry of the University of Southern California in the late 40s.
 
Some good pictures (of many of the early pressure suits also) can be found here:
http://viking.coe.uh.edu/~gkitmacher/_content/spacesuits/spacesuits.pdf
 
Any idea which company's suit this is? circa 1956 as it appears in these unused Ideal Home Exhibition clips.
http://www.britishpathe.com  search for Ideal Home Exhibition 1956.

 
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« Reply #111 on: January 05, 2014, 11:34:15 am »
Nice Find Barry ! ! !
the P Frankenstein and Sons Ltd. prototypes spacesuit for RAF
they made also the Space suit for Stanley Kubrick ‘2001: A Space Odyssey. !

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Frederick Fox became famous for the hats he designed for the Queen. Over a period of 35 years he created an average of 10 hats a year for the monarch, often preferring to make the finished article himself. His royal hats were designed to be worn for long periods and shaped so that the Queen's face was not obscured as she met her public. One of his best-known creations was the pink hat with fabric bells which the Queen wore to her Silver Jubilee service of thanksgiving. Other members of the royal family also appeared in Fox hats, including the Princess of Wales, who swiftly became a fashion icon. Royal Ascot was a showcase for his designs and, later in his career he was among milliners who came up with the fascinator, an item that has divided opinion in the fashion world. He also designed headgear for a number of films, including the space helmets used in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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« Reply #112 on: April 19, 2014, 06:14:13 am »
Not a full blown spacesuit, but an emergency breathing system for use aboard the Space Shuttle:

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Hamilton Standard has developed a Portable Oxygen Subsystem (POS) for use in the Space Shuttle Orbiter System. This development effort was conducted under Contract NAS 9-14458 to NASA's Johnson Space Center. The scope of this program included the selection, design, fabrication, and test of a POS which meets the Shuttle objectives of long life, low cost and minimum maintenance.

The POS is a rebreather type system which provides a revitalized breathing gas supply to a crewman for denitrogenization, emergency IV activity, and/or emergency rescue.

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« Reply #113 on: April 20, 2014, 04:55:31 am »
This is the Garret Airesearch design for the same emergency oxygen system contract as the item in the last post:

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This report describes the concept selection, design, fabrication, and testing of a Portable Oxygen Subsystem (POS) for use in Space Shuttle operations. Tradeoff analyses were conducted to determine the POS concept for fabrication and testing, The fabricated POS was subjected to unmanned and manned tests to verify compilance with the Statement of Work requirements. The POS used in the development program described herein met requirements for the three operationl modes -- prebreathing, contaminated cabin, and Personnel Rescue System operations.

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« Reply #114 on: July 06, 2014, 11:28:28 am »


i found more on this pressure suit
it's from Drägerwerke but not Watanzug, it's the "Leichter Druckanzug" model 223


Drägerwerke were leading manufacture for diving breathing equipment in Germany 1930s
The Reichs Luftfahrt Ministerium order them for to deliberate a pressure suit  in 1935

RLM demands
01. Internal pressure: 0.8atm, safety margin three times as much.
02. Shape and size for a person 1.8m tall.
03. Suit should be partitioned to simplify the donning.
04. Use of hands and sight shall not be hampered to allow easy landing and take-o.
05. Suit shall be electrically heated or the heat of the exhaustion pipe should be utilized.
06. Closed-Circuit-Rebreather system.
07. Fogging of the visor must be prevented.
08. Freedom of movement.
09. Rescue-exit with parachute must be possible.
10. Fail-safe system.
11. Radio communication inside the suit must be available.
12. Domestic components should be used, i.e. production independent of foreign currency.
13. Light weight.

At Drägerwerke Dr. Hermann Tietze, chief engineer for diving apparatuses start R&D
the first soft suit and hard suit were unusable for RLM need
but over the war Drägerwerke produce better and better pressure suits.
 

source

Under the waves, above the clouds.
A history of the pressure suit.

Alexander von Lünen

a Dissertation publish  2010
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« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2014, 08:09:50 am »
Wow!
Nazi space suits!  :o

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@Michel Van

Great Stuff this PhD-Thesis! Thanks for the reference!

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Poor quality photos of Soviet Moon Program space suit. The body is metal and integrated into the breathing rig on the back. c1969

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« Reply #118 on: January 12, 2015, 10:13:28 am »
Poor quality photos of Soviet Moon Program space suit. The body is metal and integrated into the breathing rig on the back. c1969


must be one of prototypes for the Krechet-94
were is this suit put on display ?
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« Reply #119 on: January 12, 2015, 10:58:43 am »
Milan, Italy.
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« Reply #120 on: January 25, 2015, 03:49:55 pm »
This suit is only listed as a Gemini Spacesuit Prototype donated by McDonnell Douglas. It was already on that dumpy mannequin when it was donated to the museum. I've been told that this was the suit they (McDonnell Douglas) used to take to events and presentations so it has seen a lot of abuse.

This silver suit is a G-2G manufactured by B.F. Goodrich.
The mannequin the suit is on has too much damage to let the suit remain on it - the right hip and the left ankle are broken. It has been flat on its back in storage for about a year while I studied it to plan the removal. Today, we started the removal process. (Though, the helmet and gloves had been removed before it went into storage.) Today, we opened the main entry zipper to get a better evaluation of the mannequin. I am photo documenting the steps and details while this work is being done and will set up a site - probably a Flicker site - to share low to medium resolution copies of those pictures. Watch this thread for updates.

Attached are the ID tags I've photographed so far. In a few days, I'll post a few more photos here along with a history of this suit.
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« Reply #121 on: January 26, 2015, 12:43:49 am »
fascinating Picture, The Artist

So far i know it was Gemini prototype suit based on Mercury suits made by B.F. Goodrich.
in some way a advance Mercury suit
they build around 15 prototype suits were labels G2G-1 to G2G-15

But they lose against David Clark Company more advanced G2C, what include state-of-art-pressure glove

Now to question
In "US Space gear" by Lillian D. Kozloski
Show a picture of a  "G-2G" that partial wear and quick-assembly suit with detachable arms and legs parts 
but your G-2G suit not feature anything of that
i guess the picture show in "US Space gear" is the GX-2G suit not the G-2G!

Were is the entrance Zipper on this suit ?
On mercury suits they were cross the chest, but i don't see that on G-2G picture.

What size has this suit ?
because the Label in Helmet say "Size-Grissom"
now Grissom had a Height of  5 ft 7 in (1.70 m)
That could indicated that suit was made for him for testing.

 
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« Reply #122 on: January 26, 2015, 08:41:22 pm »
The zipper on the G-2G (described in the opening motion) starts in the front crotch, proceeds in a straight path under then up the back to the base of the neck. The zipper opening is in the same location on our G-2C - the green one in the other set of pictures earlier in this thread. Our G-2C is a test article constructed without the outer layers.

I believe the 'Size LR' means this suit is a large suit. It does look to me to be larger than our Mercury suit that Grissom used while training in the Mercury Capsule. The Size: Grissom listing on the white tag in the helmet is unique, so far, on our G-2G suit. I suspect that tag was an inventory control tag used within McDonnell. On the back inside of the helmet is the designation G2G10. (Going from memory here as I'm writing this at home.) Does that suggest that the helmet was originally part of the suit serial numbered 10?

I have identified G-2G suits in a number of photos of 'astronauts' posed in and around the Gemini full scale mockup. One source I came across the other day is a McDonnell publication on Space Simulation Chambers. The captions with photos showing 'astronauts' approaching a Gemini capsule in McDonnell's 33 foot diameter vacuum chamber, and showing one entering a Gemini cabin mockup in their smaller Life Support chamber, state that space suited McDonnell Aircraft Company pilots are shown in these tests. I suspect that the helmets and gloves were issued according to size, not suit serial number, according to the sizes of the pilot using a suit for the tests.

It appears that our G-2G suit was placed on the mannequin while it was still with MAC. (Then it spent time in the Missouri History Museum before they received approval from McDonnell Douglas to donate it to our Museum.) A few visitors to the Museum have mentioned a room at MAC where an Astronaut display had been set up with space suited mannequins. The mannequin in our suit appears to be from the 60s. Parts of it are made of plaster, and the hair is sculpted twine. I mention the mannequin to get to one major bit of damage on the suit, and to what I've learned from inspecting that damage. If you are familiar with mannequins, you'll know that standing figures attach to a rod extending up from the base. The back of the lower left leg of the suit was sliced open to let the rod reach the socket in the leg.  :'( In the photos I've seen elsewhere of these suits, it appears that the boots were part of the legs. Looking at our suit I've seen that the boots were laced to the cuffs of the legs. Now that I've inspected that slit, I see that an inner liner (not sure if it's a fixed part of the boot) is zipped just inside the cuff then the cuff of the boot is laced to the leg cuff.

More info, and pictures, to follow when I get back to the Museum.
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« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2015, 03:31:55 am »
Thx for reply

So far i know the G2G suits were only used for Gemini Mock-up, so MAC could finalize the Design 
until the David Clark G2C take over for first Gemini hardware and Flight training and astronauts Parachute system test.

seem your museum G2G suit is Nr 2 , but is equipped with Helmet for Grissom is  possible from Suit Nr 10.
so far i know those Helms were custom build to fit the Astronaut head.

with that rod in mannequin explain the odd position on right Boot in picture were mannequin is still in the suit.   
but that connection of Boots to suit is strange
the final Mercury suit had the "boots" as an integral part of the spacesuit itself. (see picture )
i guess this  feature comes from the GX-2G suit so the astronauts could remove the Boots from there Suits inside the Gemini capsule.



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« Reply #124 on: January 27, 2015, 08:36:45 pm »
The two Mercury suits in our collection were both practice/training suits. The one used by Grissom has air, communication and telemetry connections that match what I've seen in the photos of the astronauts getting into and out of the spacecraft before and after their missions. The Cooper suit has the earlier (?) array of smaller plug connections for telemetry. The Cooper suit has been on an extended loan to the St Louis Science Center, so I'm not as clear on the details, but I believe the boots are separate on that one. I know that the boots are separate on the Grissom suit. The legs have have an inner liner that covers the feet and a band of the silver outer layer that loops under the heel to hold the outer layers in place. (I can see that loop in the picture you posted here.) The boots with the Grissom suit are sturdier than what I see in your picture. Now I'm going to have to go searching through the photos again.

I'll post a few pictures of the Grissom suit to compare to the picture you've posted as some things in your picture seem new to me.

Since the Mercury suits have been brought into this discussion, I'll share this not as commonly discussed bit of information. While the long undergarments (union suits) used with the Gemini space suits were made to spec under contract, the union suits used with Mercury were modified off the shelf Hanes garments. I'll post a few pictures later.

Now, to get back to the G-2G suit. The reason you had not noticed the zipper is because the loose end of the compression strap hangs down in front of it. There was a different arrangement of that strap on the Gemini suits, from what you see on the Mercury suit, because some of the Gemini missions were planned to last fourteen days. The astronauts had to be able to adapt to the requirements of the mission, but no one could hold in their used food that long. The late Rose Church, former MAC Aerospace Nurse, and donor of a number of the Mercury and Gemini related items in our collection, told a story about this that I'll share when I post the photos of the Gemini undergarment.
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« Reply #125 on: January 27, 2015, 08:51:08 pm »
After going back and looking at the full figure photo of the G-2G I posted earlier, I see that the compression strap is to the side because of the odd stance the figure is in. There is a short strap hanging in front of the zipper and I believe that was to block anything from snagging the button that held the zipper in the closed position.

Also. That is the Grissom Mercury suit in the glass case behind the G-2G suit. Notice the boots and the foot coverings.
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« Reply #126 on: January 28, 2015, 09:59:45 am »

the final Mercury suit had the "boots" as an integral part of the spacesuit itself. (see picture )
i guess this  feature comes from the GX-2G suit so the astronauts could remove the Boots from there Suits inside the Gemini capsule.


The Cooper's suit was more recent than G2G suit.
G2G was developed in 1962,Cooper's suit was modified in 1963.

P.S.
If Mercury-Atlas 10 mission had occurred,Alan Shepard would dress the same type of suit of Cooper or another more advanced model?

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« Reply #127 on: January 28, 2015, 04:09:46 pm »
Thanks, Carmelo. This information gave me some new leads to check.

Our Cooper Mercury suit is likely the one he wore when this photo was taken.
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« Reply #128 on: January 28, 2015, 04:25:56 pm »
Three pictures to illustrate my comments about the G-2G suit.

In the picture of the slit cut for the stand you can see the leg part of the zipper. I do not yet know if the other part is in there but not zipped, or not in there at all. You can also see how the outer layer of the boot was laced to the leg.

The compression strap carry through picture shows how the load was transferred from the cloth strap to the metal cords which ran below the outer layer. At various points along the outer layer seams, there are openings (held closed with Velcro) to access adjustment points in the metal cord system.

Until I come across differing information, I'm taking the G2G10 marking in the helmet to mean that it was originally with the tenth G-2G suit.
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« Reply #129 on: January 28, 2015, 05:03:42 pm »
Now to the undergarments

On the Mercury undergarment, the patches were applied to draw perspiration away from the body. Notice how the Hanes label got snagged when they sewed the back patch in place.

The Gemini undergarment, this one was assigned to Elliot See, has a contract number and designation. Those oddly placed button holes were for the leads from the telemetry pickup devices that were attached to the astronaut's body. The leads were coiled then slipped into those pockets to keep them from getting tangled, or misidentified during the suiting up process. Notice the fly opening in the backside of the garment.

Now, here is what Rose Church had to say about the Gemini undergarments. When the astronauts were issued the garment they'd use on the mission, the first thing they'd do was cut that fly into a big oval. This was to make it easier for them to get the defecation glove (pouch) into place when they needed to use one during the mission. She said that after splashdown on one mission (she didn't say which mission, but I think it was Gemini 5) the astronauts had been given permission to remove their space suits to keep cool during the very long time it was taking the recovery ships to reach them. When the call came to them that the recovery helicopters were about to leave the deck, one of the astronauts called back and asked them to be sure they were bringing their robes because they didn't want their backsides hanging out for all to see.
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« Reply #130 on: January 28, 2015, 05:41:28 pm »
Okay. I stand corrected on something (again). While typing the above message, I remembered that the Museum has a second Mercury undergarment in storage. I pulled that one out and it does have a contract label. These garments were made - or modified - by B.F. Goodrich. This second garment was originally manufactured by Russett. Again. the manufacturer's label was snagged when the back patch was sewn on.
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« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2015, 02:30:56 pm »
I'm continuing to research the history of this suit. Today I came across this NASA PDF which gives a good, though simple, overview of where the different suits fit in the timeline.

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/spacesuits/presentations/McBarron_Spacesuit_Gemini.pdf

According to this, only two of the G-2G suits went to MAC. However, it is possible that other G-2G suits went there after they were no longer required elsewhere.
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« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2015, 03:02:01 pm »
First I should say that the label photo is a detail of the David Clark Co G-2C in our collection without the outer layer.

Our Goodrich G-2G is now off that mannequin. These are shots of it on the stand.
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Re: Space Suit Prototypes (like Grumman Moon Suit, Republic etc)
« Reply #133 on: February 03, 2015, 08:58:43 am »
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« Reply #134 on: February 03, 2015, 09:02:07 am »
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« Reply #135 on: February 03, 2015, 10:43:06 am »
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« Reply #136 on: February 03, 2015, 10:46:05 am »
Now,a very early proposal for Gemini suit ( early 1962).
And the Goodrich version of Gemini 7 type suit,for 14 days flight (late 1962).

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« Reply #137 on: February 04, 2015, 01:17:48 pm »
Thank for The Artist and carmelo for upload on Picture


A Surprise for me is that one suite is labeled J.H.Glenn
now was Glenn involved in early Gemini program ?
so far i know Glenn was on non flight status by JFK because his National Hero status and Glenn quit NASA on January 1964.
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« Reply #138 on: February 04, 2015, 02:18:44 pm »
While I have yet to see photos to confirm this, I have hear the story, from a few sources, about a large display of spacesuits on mannequins done up to represent the astronauts of that time.
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« Reply #139 on: February 04, 2015, 08:23:04 pm »
Thank for The Artist and carmelo for upload on Picture


A Surprise for me is that one suite is labeled J.H.Glenn
now was Glenn involved in early Gemini program ?
so far i know Glenn was on non flight status by JFK because his National Hero status and Glenn quit NASA on January 1964.

Well,for what i know those suits were tested in mid-late 1962,so is possible that Glenn was involved.

P.S.
Artist,you know something about this suit?
Type,maker and other?
The guy that wear the suit resembles Gordon Cooper.

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Re: Space Suit Prototypes (like Grumman Moon Suit, Republic etc)
« Reply #140 on: February 05, 2015, 04:59:36 am »
I can answer that Carmelo

That's David Clark Company G1C suit for Gemini, after NASA rejection of Goodrich G1C suit.
early 1963, NASA Photo S-62-8074

Source: U.S. Space Gear by lilllian D. Kozioski
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« Reply #141 on: February 05, 2015, 07:15:58 am »
Early 1963?
So the G2G is more old!

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« Reply #142 on: February 05, 2015, 07:25:52 am »
I have a question...
Is possible a accomplish a EVA with a  suit with a overgarnment alluminized or colored (in red or orange,for exemple) or the only color thermally possible for EVA suits is white?

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« Reply #143 on: February 06, 2015, 06:24:15 am »
I have a question...
Is possible a accomplish a EVA with a  suit with a overgarnment alluminized or colored (in red or orange,for exemple) or the only color thermally possible for EVA suits is white?

That's dependent how powerful the cooling system of Suit is
Aluminized and white color are prefers ones, to keep power consumption low
More darker the color more power need  the cooling system.
so not even think to use Black for space suits
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« Reply #144 on: February 06, 2015, 08:19:39 am »
But alluminized cover have a very big problem of reflexion,right?

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« Reply #145 on: February 06, 2015, 10:29:09 am »
But alluminized cover have a very big problem of reflexion,right?

yes, that reason they used aluminum-coated nylon, for thermal control purposes, it reflect light and heat. on Mercury space suits
the Gemini suits used Mylar that had much better isolation +121 °C in direct sunlight and -157 °C in shadow. making aluminum-coated nylon unnecessary
after Apollo one fire the US Space suits had top cover layer from fire resistant material
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« Reply #146 on: February 06, 2015, 11:33:31 am »
Early 1963?
So the G2G is more old!

Yes, the G-2G could have predated this suit. Think of this classification system as a variation of the U.S. Navy's designation system in which you could have the Grumman F4F Wildcat predate the McDonnell F2H Banshee.

The information below is from the NASA Knowledge Capture PDF I mentioned earlier.

SPACE SUIT TYPE NOTATION
• First letter left of (-) denotes Project               
   M = Mercury                       
   G = Gemini             
   A = Apollo 
• Letter (X) next to first letter denotes experimental prototype           
   GX- 
• Number to left of (-) denotes development sequence number           
   GX-1, G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4 
• Letter following number denotes manufacturer             
   A = Arrowhead Products                       
   C = David Clark Co.             
   G = B. F. Goodrich Co.             
   L = International Latex Co. 
• Examples             
   GX-1G = Gemini Prototype Suit mfg. by B.F. Goodrich Co.             
   G-3C = Gemini Flight Suit mfg. by David Clark Co.             
   AX-1L = Apollo Prototype Suit mfg. by International Latex Co. 

Source: NASA memo by C.C. Lutz dated July 9, 1962
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Re: Space Suit Prototypes (like Grumman Moon Suit, Republic etc)
« Reply #147 on: February 07, 2015, 07:17:09 am »
The G1XG Gemini suit.
Early 1962.
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« Reply #148 on: February 19, 2015, 12:04:58 pm »
I have found the presentation that goes with the NASA Knowledge Capture document I mentioned earlier. It runs about an hour and forty minutes.

http://wn.com/gemini_spacesuit


Some interesting bits of information to be mined from this one.
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Re: Space Suit Prototypes (like Grumman Moon Suit, Republic etc)
« Reply #149 on: May 05, 2015, 05:50:54 am »
I got link to Video about ESA "EVA Space Suit 2000" prototype


http://www.esa.int/spaceinvideos/Videos/1994/01/EVA_Space_Suit_2000


Thanks to Alternate History Forum Member "Pietke" for this info


source:
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=352847

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« Reply #150 on: June 26, 2015, 08:56:28 am »
Another piece of space emergency equipment...

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The design, development, and fabrication of a feasibility model of a breathing bag life support system for extravehicular activity are discussed. The breathing vest and back pack portable life support system contains connectors which allow external water and gas supply. At a metabolic rate of 2000 BTU per hour, the two low pressure bottles provide 27 minutes of breathing gas for a total filled system weight of 30.5 pounds.

Development of a portable life support system and emergency life support pack

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19720005423.pdf

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« Reply #151 on: August 09, 2015, 04:17:13 pm »
I received the following request at the Greater St Louis Air and Space Museum and I am sharing it here in the hope that someone here might find some information to help this gentleman. And because this information fits within this topic.

Subject: Gemini G2-C Pressure Suit: CWO Charles O. Laine

Dear Mr. Burke

Perhaps you can assist me in my quest. My Father, CWO Charles O. Laine, worked for the 6511th Test Parachute group in El Centro California in the early 60's and did some work with the Gemini program's personnel recovery system. Please see the attached photo. Question: Can his space suit be located. I know it was custom made for him by (David Clark). I have found CWO Mitchell B. Kanowski's, also in the attached picture on YouTube. I would appreciate any assistance you could give. Please see attached and advise. Thanks!

He attached these pictures along with the links (with additional statements.)

I believe I have located SSGT James R. Marcum's G2-C space suit. He is on the far right in the photo attached. Please see attached picture and website below. If you zoom in on the picture on the website below you can read Marcum on the right chest.

http://collections.si.edu/search/direct/L3NlYXJjaC9yZXN1bHRzLmh0bT9xPXJlY29yZF9JRDpuYXNtX0ExOTcxMDc4NjAwMA==<https://ex2010.sandi.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=ZeoSkCBKjEelH-5eJUgO4-5HgP8JnNIINBckZqX9GcK5xQxdyonmVj1tDopH8Wv8M1rSIXXE1CY.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fcollections.si.edu%2fsearch%2fdirect%2fL3NlYXJjaC9yZXN1bHRzLmh0bT9xPXJlY29yZF9JRDpuYXNtX0ExOTcxMDc4NjAwMA%3d%3d

CWO Mitch Kanowski's Helmet is also on the SI website under GH-2C.

http://collections.si.edu/search/results.htm?q=record_ID:nasm_A19730836000<https://ex2010.sandi.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=ZeoSkCBKjEelH-5eJUgO4-5HgP8JnNIINBckZqX9GcK5xQxdyonmVj1tDopH8Wv8M1rSIXXE1CY.&URL=http%3a%2f%2fcollections.si.edu%2fsearch%2fresults.htm%3fq%3drecord_ID%3anasm_A19730836000>

If anyone knows of any place for him to search, either post it here or send me a message. Either way, I'll pass it on to William Laine.

Thanks.
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« Reply #153 on: July 20, 2016, 01:02:01 am »
Interesting Video

I wonder who the new SpaceX suits gonna look like
who are design by a Hollywood company "Ironhead"
they dress all superhero in Movies
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« Reply #154 on: August 02, 2016, 06:16:12 am »
Looking at the Grumman space suit on page 1 of this thread, I'm reminded of the space suit used in this 1965 Soviet film.  An older film (1957) uses a different design which doesn't appear till the very end (last minute).



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« Reply #155 on: August 07, 2016, 12:21:04 pm »
This seems to be the place for this.

I don't know enough about this site to fully rely on its reporting. However. This odd article does have some useful details on the development of the Mercury and Apollo suits. Note the bit about the 'Mini-me' (child sized) Mercury suits made by B.F. Goodrich.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-tried-and-failed-to-reclaim-these-spacesuits-that-were-auctioned-last-year?trk_source=recommended
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« Reply #157 on: June 05, 2017, 08:49:32 am »
Here You tube video about British Pressure Suits
Barrington Bond posted some picture about this in Reply #103 and #104 here

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« Reply #158 on: June 05, 2017, 09:22:50 am »
X-20 Dyna Soar Space Suit (looks like X-15 pilot Pete Knight) Note: X-20 cockpit simulator in background.

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« Reply #159 on: June 06, 2017, 09:30:59 pm »
Here You tube video about British Pressure Suits
Barrington Bond posted some picture about this in Reply #103 and #104 here



Wow! The British pressure suit had the hood helmet like Gemini 7,Sokol and now Starliner suits!
I see more resemblance with Russian suits more than American suits.