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Offline XP67_Moonbat

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Chinese Space Projects
« on: November 11, 2008, 08:06:10 pm »
An article on pre-Shenzhou studies and the Shenzhou project. Check it out:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/launchpad/1921/story-7.htm

You gotta love this illustration. Here you go.

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Offline starviking

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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 11:15:57 pm »
Hmmm...

From the left: Saenger II, Shuttle II, Hermes, Hermes, Soyuz-derived Capsule.

That said, the pics may not be much like the official proposals.

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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2008, 01:04:26 am »
there are two way to explane it

1- they are copycats  ::)
2- they found the same solution to the technical problems  ;D

but the long development time of Shenzhou show is not a simple copy of Soyuz
1992 manned space programme "Project 921" authorised
1999 November 19 - Shenzhou first unmanned test flight
2002 December 29 - Shenzhou 4 last unmanned test flight
2003 October 15 - Shenzhou 5 - first manned flight
2005 October 12 - Shenzhou 6 - two man flight
2008 September 25 - Shenzhou 7 - three man flight with EVA

Shenzhou aka Project 921-1 is part of the 3 Phase Project 921
Phase 1 launch manned Space Craft made in china ( also a 3 phase program)
Phase 2 launch manned Space Station made in china
Phase 3 launch manned space Shuttle made in china
after quote of Wang Zhuanshan (the Secretary General of the New China Space Research Society)
will use in phase 3 a Dynasoar-like orbiter around 2020

by the way
is Soyuz original Russian ?
Is the Soyuz Design a Copy of the General Electric Apollo Proposal?
http://www.astronautix.com/articles/wastolen.htm

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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2008, 08:26:42 am »
by the way
is Soyuz original Russian ?
Is the Soyuz Design a Copy of the General Electric Apollo Proposal?
http://www.astronautix.com/articles/wastolen.htm

There's no evidence from Russian sources indicating that they copied the GE proposal.

Astronautix often espouses the view that the Soviet Union copied a lot of their designs from others, particularly the Germans.  But there is rarely evidence for this.

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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2008, 09:14:46 am »
Read Wade's conclusion, he is very balanced and non-committal about it, as he usually is in similar cases.

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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 12:10:42 am »
there are two way to explane it

1- they are copycats  ::)
2- they found the same solution to the technical problems  ;D


I'm with you on option no. 2. I've seen far to many "researchers" conclude that if design Y from 1960 resembles design X (typically German) from 1945, then obviously Y was copied from X.

There is such a thing as convergent evolution. I mean, no one would accuse the dolphin of being a copy of the shark, or the eagle of being a copy of the pterosaur... ;)

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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2008, 10:26:09 am »
I cannot separate out these images as simple jpegs.  Maybe somebody can do that from the attached document.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2008, 10:36:57 am by flateric »

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2013, 06:36:27 am »
http://chinawatch.washingtonpost.com/2013/02/satellite-center-to-put-wenchang-on-the-map.php

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The construction of the Wenchang Satellite Launch Center in Hainan province, from where China will launch new-generation carrier rockets and future space station modules, is expected to be completed in June, the province's economic planner said.


By the end of this year, the launch center, the fourth in China, will be ready for launching carrier rockets, according to a report released by the Hainan Development and Reform Commission during the ongoing annual session of the provincial people's congress.


Hainan plans to invest nearly 3.3 billion yuan ($530 million) this year into construction of the center and relevant facilities, including a space theme park and nearby infrastructure, the report said.


Of the 3.3 billion yuan, 2.5 billion will be used for the center's construction, the report said.


Pei Chengmin, Party chief of Wenchang, said the center will host its first launch in 2014.


The center will include a launch pad, a rocket assembly plant and a command center.


The Long March-5 launch vehicle designed for transporting heavyweight satellites and space station modules, as well as the Long March-7 rocket designed for launching cargo spacecraft, are expected to blast off from the center in 2014, the Beijing Morning Post quoted Liang Xiaohong, deputy director of the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology on Saturday during the annual session of the Beijing municipal people's congress.


Wenchang Satellite Launch Center, located on the northeast coast of Hainan, about 60 km from Haikou, the province's capital, is the only coastal launch center in China. It can use nearby ocean ports in Wenchang for rocket deliveries.


The location, about 19 degrees north of the equator, is suitable for launching geosynchronous satellites, heavyweight satellites, large space station components and lunar and interplanetary missions.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2015, 05:46:27 am »
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/china/AJ201509090065

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China mulls space force in most sweeping military reform yet

September 09, 2015

THE ASAHI SHIMBUN

BEIJING--China may set up what it calls a "celestial military" to boost its capabilities in strategic space warfare, sources said Sept. 8.

The space troopers are included in plans to structurally reform the People's Liberation Army to rival the U.S. armed forces.

The sweeping PLA reboot will be the most significant since the founding of modern China in 1949 and the aim this time round is quality rather than quantity.

President Xi Jinping announced the reduction of the nation's military strength by 300,000 troops during the Sept. 3 ceremony dubbed the "70th Anniversary of the Victory of Chinese Peopleís War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War." This cutback is part of the reformation plan.

The plan also includes the set up of a "joint operation command system" in the hopes of ridding the military of its rigid administrative structure.

The PLA is comprised of Beijing, Shenyang and five other military regions, which is mainly controlled by the ground force, along with the navy, air force and the strategic missile branch known as the Second Artillery Corps (SAC).

Xi plans to model the reformed PLA after the U.S. armed forces, which has all its branches of service under command of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to sources.

Xi instructed the PLA to overcome the inefficient passage of orders from the central government down its chain of command, caused mainly by the significant degree of authority held by the various military regions and the individual branch of services.

The PLA plans to reorganize the seven military regions into four or five "combat regions," which will each contain a command post established jointly by the ground force, navy and air force.

Additionally, the PLA plans to combine the SAC with a newly established "Tianjun" (celestial military) to improve its potential for space warfare.

According to PLA sources, the reduction of 300,000 personnel mainly targets the Ground Force and noncombatants. The navy, air force and SAC are expected to be strengthened. The PLA is especially considering buttressing the navy to strengthen its military grip in the East and South China Seas.

(This article was written by Nanae Kurashige and Nozomu Hayashi in Beijing.)
THE ASAHI SHIMBUN
 

May not come to anything, given that Xi Jinping is reported elsewhere to be in severe political difficulties.
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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2016, 07:23:58 am »
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/1982526/china-militarising-space-experts-say-new-junk-collector

Every Space junk Removal system is de facto a Anti satellite system, depends if target Satellite is active or not...
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Re: Chinese Space Projects
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2016, 06:27:03 am »
http://gizmodo.com/why-the-hell-is-china-sending-crude-oil-into-space-1769176779
What a sloppy story. Itís not a Chinese experiment, itís a Canadian and European Space Agency one, flown before, first launch attempt in 2002 on a Russian satellite.