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Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« on: October 01, 2006, 11:40:25 am »
Dear Overscan,

by the way the Ilyushin Il-74 and Il-27 were mentioned in english site,
www.mda.org.uk/aircraft/9489.htm
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2006, 11:50:46 am »
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Dear overscan,

by the way the Ilyushin Il-74 and Il-27 were mentionin english site,
www.mda.org.uk/aircraft/9489.htm

Hesham,

Il-74 looks like a Tu-154 but with different housing of the landing gear. Model picture and artist's impression (no three-view drawing) are published in "OKB Ilyushin. A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft" (pg 363/ISBN 1-85780-187-3).

Il-27 - maybe it's an misprint. Two (totally different) projects with the designation Il-72 existed!

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2006, 06:10:21 am »
No boxkite,

the Ilyushin Il-72 was mentioned also in this site.
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2006, 11:04:00 pm »
Hesham,

Can you try to contact the 'webmaster' or anyone else of the RAF Museum website? Maybe they can disclose the reference/source of this mysterious Il-27.

There is no odd number amongst the Il-10/12/14/16/18/20/22/24/26/28/30/32/34 etc.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2006, 12:51:11 am »
Traditionally odd numbers were single crew, even numbers were multiple crew.
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2007, 11:11:16 am »
Dear borovik,

Can I ask you if there was a two projects for Ilyushin in old series
called IL-26 & IL-44 ?.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 07:21:02 am »
Some of unknown (better to say not well known) Ilyushin projects:
Il-90 - narrow and wide body aircraft

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 07:22:40 am »
more
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 07:24:22 am »
Il-74 and Il-96-550

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 07:26:40 am »
Two biz-aircraft - Il-126 and Il-X

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2008, 07:29:24 am »
And two variants of multi-role small aircraft Il-PS
Info about another Ilyushin not well-known aircraft will follow

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 01:02:39 am »
Three more pix:
First project of Il-112 with low wing, and two pix of Il-86 from 1987
- Il-86 tanker, refuling from Il-78;
- Il-86 for 450 paratroopers.
Only one of each were built.
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 01:15:17 pm »
Hi to all.
Maybe this info will be interesting for Topheand for others:))))
twin-boom battle-arcraft MSh-2 - further development of Il-2.
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2008, 01:17:29 pm »
and a wooden model

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2008, 06:56:17 am »
Hi to all.
Il-64 civil aircraft project.
More info in www.avicopress.ru

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2008, 12:34:14 pm »
Hi to all!
More info about unknown Ilyushin Il-52 flying wing bomber: www.avicopress.ru
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2008, 08:03:19 pm »
and a wooden model
Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2008, 01:22:00 pm »
Jozef and Konstantin,

I'm a little confused: Il-52-1-1.jpg blueprint shows four jet engines, but in the Il-52-2-2.jpg artwork it looks more like only two jet nozzles one above the other.  ???

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2008, 01:30:51 pm »
Thomas, four engines

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2008, 02:18:07 pm »
Jozef,

Thank you for the detail. Now I can go to bed and sleep tight  ;) .

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2008, 08:16:15 pm »
and a wooden model
Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.
According to
http://users.skynet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/faq/sov_mil.txt
Ilyushin MSh is a design 1942. "MSh, Ilyushin:  Design for a single-seat attack aircraft with the engine behind the pilot. Not built. 1942."
So MSh-2 may be before 1945? (unsure) ???

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 05:14:35 am »
MSh-2 for me in the same way either as for Tophe absolute (and pleasing) news. 
More info please. (If possible)

If allow.
MSh  Shturmovik (22.07.1942)
Engine AM-38  (1600 hp)
Area wing 41,50m 2
Weights loaded  6000kg
Armament  1 x 37 (40) ShFK-37 by Shpital’nyi or NS-37
                   2 x 20 (200) ShVAK
                   2 x 7,62 (1500) ShKAS

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 07:32:49 am »

      Am I wrong in disagreeing with this being called a 'flying wing'?


Hi to all!
More info about unknown Ilyushin Il-52 flying wing bomber: www.avicopress.ru
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2008, 04:10:48 pm »
Hi to all.
Il-18-1 - very first soviet VIP-liner.
More info see in www.avicopress.ru

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2008, 08:06:03 pm »
Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side. ;)

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2008, 09:26:41 pm »
Hm, I can only see hard working members of the communist party, serving
the hard working soviet people and for this purpose, they of course were given,
what they essentially need to do their job.  ;D
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2008, 11:40:59 pm »
Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side. ;)

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2008, 10:31:34 am »
Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side. ;)

Eh, I do find it very surprising that there would be a specialized VIP aircraft (and though many Soviet and PRC leaders would end up having VIP aircraft, they were pretty austere especially by Western standards - not to mention it seems like a high percentage of Communist leaders are afraid to fly!) I suppose it could be configured in a manner similar to a DC-4.
It's a crappy self-made pic of a Lockheed Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), BTW
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2009, 10:52:12 am »
Hi all!
Today is regional prop-liner Il-116.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2010, 05:52:59 pm »
Hi, guys
Two more Il-56 bomber projects
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2010, 06:40:12 pm »
Never presented three-tailed DB-3F (Il-4) bomber. Please do not use in another site, except SPF

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2010, 09:30:10 pm »
Thanks a lot for these additions, Ucon. Is there an explanation for the 3-fin layout? Either correcting a design mistake or adapting to different engines with a huge torque or taking into accont a load providing unbalance, or else?

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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2010, 09:46:53 am »
Have to say, that second Il-56 drawing looks
very like the Tupolev Tu-98 'Backfin'....


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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2010, 04:57:20 am »
Hi, guys!
One of the very early Il-12 double-tailed project with ACh-31 engines. Note the shape of the fuselage nose part - it was used than in Il-18 (1947)

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2010, 02:28:17 pm »
Il-74 and Il-96-550
Nice design this Russian counterpart to the Airbus 380,its a pitty that the Il-96-550 never was build.
I assume that the number 550 stands for the capacity to accommodate 550 passengers?

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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2010, 04:37:09 pm »
Yes, T-50, you are right

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2010, 08:04:16 pm »
and a wooden model
Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.

I had been assuming from the first photo that it was a twin pusher (single fuselage). However, the model suggests a tri-motor... Is this correct?

I always wondered why such a configuration wasn't used more often...

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2010, 09:41:06 pm »
Thanks to dear Ucon's sources, I have presented a slanting view of the MSh-2 (twin-engined) on my twin-boom site http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/update_FG.htm (find with Ctrl-f: msh). I hope all will be soon on Avicopress site... (no link yet on the MSh-2 word in Shturmoviki in Ilyushin part of this great site).
Anyway, thanks Avimimus for your suggestion of a 3-engined layout, I will draw it and present it to what-if friends (but not here, where Historic seriousness is the principle) and I may put it on Photobucket giving you the link in a PM.

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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2010, 12:33:34 pm »
Hi all,

do you have drawings and technical data fot the Ilyushin IL.34 transport aircraft?

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2010, 12:43:38 pm »
Model of Ilyushin Il-74. The Il-74 was a 1966 competitor to the Tupolev Tu-154.

Sources:
http://www.forumavia.ru/forum/2/0/65894329028056453651182871020_all.shtml
http://www.testpilots.ru/tp/russia/ilushin/il_list.htm

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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2010, 12:57:27 pm »
« Last Edit: July 30, 2010, 01:24:09 pm by Triton »

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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2010, 04:48:59 am »
...and the Il.66
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2010, 04:15:40 am »
Hi,

here is anther Ilyushin projects;

Il-46 with swept wing
Il-54 early design with wing-root intakes and mid-wing
Il-54 variants
Il-40 variants

http://www.airwar.ru/other/shawrov/htmls/glava03.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=ar&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.airwar.ru/other/shawrov/htmls/index.html

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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2010, 11:30:00 am »
Option assembly scheme of IL-54 / low-wing / (23,03,1953) with engines TRD-I. Probably the first project with this designation.
IL-54 / midwing / powered by AL-7 dated (16,11,1953)

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2010, 11:34:49 am »
Nothing about the Ilyushin Il.34 :-\
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2010, 11:58:06 am »
Ilyushin Il-34 was a motor-glider project

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« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2010, 12:14:22 pm »
Yes, a motor-variant of the Il.32, but I have never seen a pic or a drawing... :'( :'(
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« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2010, 01:21:27 pm »
Yes, a motor-variant of the Il.32, but I have never seen a pic or a drawing... :'( :'(

You can find two model pictures of the Il-34 in Yefim Gordon's OKB Ilyushin book (page 192). It's a Midland publication, so I don't want to show a scan here.

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« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2010, 04:43:27 am »
By the way,

that early Ilyushin Il-54 was also called Il-149,
and developed by Sukhoi;

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/avia/data/ic_nomenrussiaavia/57/

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2011, 03:29:17 pm »
Yes, a motor-variant of the Il.32, but I have never seen a pic or a drawing... :'( :'(

You can find two model pictures of the Il-34 in Yefim Gordon's OKB Ilyushin book (page 192). It's a Midland publication, so I don't want to show a scan here.
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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2011, 02:24:13 am »
Unfortunately, totaly wrong reconstruction

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« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2011, 11:26:41 am »
OK, my mistake, the picture above is not IL-34.
This reconstruction was done with the model of Il-34, displayed in the Central Armed Forces Museum  in Moscow, and shows the location of the  rear fuselage hinge line and the tail gun turret for self-defense. (Two photos, ¾ front and back) I assume that it is not perfect and is ready to finalize it, relying on documents in size.
(As is well known not mistaken only one who does nothing) If the picture get eye cancer, I or  moderators delete it.

In any case, thanks for the comment.

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« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2011, 11:35:34 am »
Wrong profiles should not be deleted, please, they enjoy what-ifers like me ;) ;D

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« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2011, 12:52:06 pm »
Dear Anatoly!
It is not your mistake, it is just your fantasy)))
Don't be angry with we. If you need blue-prints of Il-34 I can provide you.

The same about some fantasies of Il-16))
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« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2011, 01:58:08 pm »
For the sake of productivity need to compare 'my fantasy' with photographs of model S. Komissarov (of Yefim Gordon's "OKB Ilyushin" book / page 192 /. A Midland publication) and blue-prints of Il-34 that possess you.
In the absence of any other information you feel ridiculous, Western illustrator of the Cold War period "
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2011, 11:05:32 am »
By the way,

that early Ilyushin Il-54 was also called Il-149,
and developed by Sukhoi;

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/avia/data/ic_nomenrussiaavia/57/

 ???
There are no any Sukhoi mentions onto your link. And how do you imagine Ilyushin aircraft developed by Sukhoi?
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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2011, 01:18:05 am »
Found this about Il.34:
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« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2012, 12:43:36 pm »
From the German magazine FlugRevue - Klassiker der Luftfahrt, Issue 06/2012
Here some info in German and the source of the 1st photo.
Link: http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.de/de/historie/bild-der-woche/bild-der-woche-iljuschin-il-40.96314.htm
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« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2012, 09:11:25 am »
Il-196 with an original fuselage

It seems like MD-12 and A380.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2012, 04:31:51 am »
From the German magazine FlugRevue - Klassiker der Luftfahrt, Issue 06/2012
Here some info in German and the source of the 1st photo.
Link: http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.de/de/historie/bild-der-woche/bild-der-woche-iljuschin-il-40.96314.htm


Hi,


http://lib.rus.ec/b/209616/read#t4

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2013, 04:07:10 pm »
Topic consolidated with elements from older threads. Please use this for post-war projects that are insufficiently documented for now to have their own topic.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2013, 08:04:48 am »
The early drawing to Ilyushin Il-103,please note the different between it
and the actually built.


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1990/1990%20-%203288.html

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2013, 12:21:18 pm »
Il-103 from Flight = fantasy)))


And Il-38 (bomber, first with this designation)

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« Reply #66 on: March 09, 2013, 01:51:49 pm »
Thank you my dear Ucon,


but is there a complete drawing to it ?.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2013, 06:39:31 am »
I have found this Ilyushin gunship proposal which most likely remained a project.

Any idea what was its designation? Any details about its development, approximate year, etc.?

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2013, 08:47:38 am »
Stephane!
This is from Avico Press reklama))
I think, I have posted it in SPF


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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2013, 09:05:53 am »
Il-114TOP
Fire support Il-114T

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2013, 05:58:39 am »
Hi,


here is a strange drawing to Il-22 Bomber (the left one),from old Russian book
about Ilyushin OKB,was there a more drawings to early Il-22 design ?.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2013, 09:43:40 am »
This type is mentioned in Tony Buttlers "Soviet Secret Projects" as Il-24. Actually, it is said
to have been a redesigned Il-22 with four RD-45 (Nene) engines.
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2013, 10:17:04 am »
hI HESHAM
From the book "OKB ILYUSHIN"
Yefim Gordon - Dmitriy Komissarov
Sergey Komissarov

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2013, 04:10:21 pm »
Yes,you are right my dears Jemiba and Toura,


and here is from anther book,the Ilyushin Il-24.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2013, 06:36:50 am »
Hi,


anther drawing to Il-54,but why the landing gear is different ?.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2013, 07:26:03 am »
Judging the different angles, I would assume, that during take-off, when the aircraft already was stabilised
aerodynamically (and the outriggers already retracted), the angle of attack could be increased by partly
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« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2013, 07:31:20 am »
but why the landing gear is different ?.
The Il-54 was built AND flown.

Something I remember reading in 'OKB Ilyushin: A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft' and referred to by Wiki:
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Because the wings and engine nacelles were too small to house a conventional undercarriage, the Il-54 used a bicycle undercarriage arrangement, with nose and main gear units on the centreline of the aircraft, at each end of the bomb bay. This arrangement meant a conventional rotating take-off would be impossible. To enable the Il-54 to take-off, in a reasonable runway length, the main gear knelt and the nose gear extended to give the ideal angle of incidence for take-off (10 degrees).
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« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2013, 07:48:15 am »
Thank you my dears Jemiba and Arjen.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #78 on: October 13, 2013, 06:31:08 am »
Hi,


here is a three different versions of Il-64,am I right ?.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2013, 11:06:53 am »
Ilyushin civil aircraft development.

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« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2013, 02:59:03 pm »
Great find Stashandr.

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« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2013, 05:20:57 am »
Hi,


I found this artist drawing to twin engined aircraft in the Ilyushin site,but I don't
know if it is a real design or just a hypothetical one.


http://www.ilyushin.org/businesses/create_aircraft/

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« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2013, 06:44:36 am »
never heard of IL-112?
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2013, 06:53:04 am »
never heard of IL-112?


My dear Flateric,


do you mean this drawing for Il-112 ?.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2013, 10:25:25 am »
Yes, my dear Hesham, it is a drawing of the Ilyushin Il-112.

"Ilyushin Il-112"
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8748.msg78020.html#msg78020
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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2013, 01:54:07 pm »
Oops, sorry.

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« Reply #86 on: December 06, 2013, 10:39:54 am »
Dimensions of Il-196

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« Reply #87 on: December 06, 2013, 10:48:52 am »
Il-96-550 with NK-93 and PS-90A-20 engines.

Note: Il-96-550 is a medium-range aircraft.

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« Reply #88 on: December 06, 2013, 03:23:05 pm »
Great find Stashandr.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2014, 05:31:22 am »
Hi,


here is the Russian new AWACS aircraft,the Ilyushin/Alexeyev A-100,intended to appear in 2016.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2014, 03:59:45 pm »
That is not A-100, atleast certainly not in its current form.
Push the envelope,watch it bend.

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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2014, 04:18:09 pm »
That is not A-100, atleast certainly not in its current form.


Hi Flanker,


but they called it Il-476 or A-100 ?.

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« Reply #92 on: April 19, 2014, 04:56:03 am »
A-100

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« Reply #93 on: April 19, 2014, 03:04:45 pm »
but they called it Il-476 or A-100 ?.

The A-100 Premier (А-100 «Премьер») is an airborne warning and control system based on the Il-476 with PS-90A engines, with delivery to Russian Air Force scheduled to begin in 2016. It is indeed the aircraft depicted by stashandr.

An A-100E version (А-100Э) has also been quoted, but I do not know the details thereof.

I had both listed under Beriev. Is there evidence that these would be done by Alexeyev, as hesham suggested?

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #94 on: April 19, 2014, 03:12:13 pm »
E=Export version
there's no Alekseyev bureau for ages
both are TANTK Beriev
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« Reply #95 on: April 19, 2014, 03:15:12 pm »
E=Export version
there's no Alekseyev bureau for ages
both are TANTK Beriev


Thank you my dear Flateric,,and I read it on Internet before,but I don't know it was a mistake.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2014, 06:34:41 am »
Hi,


the Il-96 was early development of convertible passenger/cargo aircraft project ,based on Il-76,later
re-allocated to airliner aircraft,has anyone a drawing to it ?.

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« Reply #97 on: May 22, 2014, 02:41:45 am »
In the latest issue of Air International, June 2014, there are two pictures at page 51 showing first a model of the Beriev A-100 AWACS and second an impression of the Beriev A-60M laser-gun derivative under development.
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« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2014, 03:29:51 am »
Thank you my dear Rolf.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #99 on: May 22, 2014, 08:57:01 am »

First variants of IL - 86 a) on the basis of the Il-76. two other schemes on the basis of the Il-62. In addition, the project goes back to January 1967 Airbus Il -76 for 250 passengers. from the book: Yu.Egorov ". The aircraft design Bureau Ilyushin"

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the Il-96 was early development of convertible passenger/cargo aircraft project ,based on Il-76,later[/size]re-allocated to airliner aircraft,has anyone a drawing to it ?.
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« Reply #100 on: May 22, 2014, 01:38:02 pm »
Excellent my dear Borovik,many thanks.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2014, 04:27:13 am »

And Il-38 (bomber, first with this designation)


And here is the Il-38 Bomber.

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« Reply #102 on: November 12, 2014, 02:12:43 pm »
Hi!

Heres the Il-4 TK high altitude version of this well known bomber.
And a shturmovik project IL-60.

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« Reply #103 on: November 12, 2014, 03:12:06 pm »
Thank you Athpilot,


but I think you meant Il-6,and not Il-60.

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« Reply #104 on: November 13, 2014, 12:00:24 am »
You are both not correct, athpilot pic shows the ZKB.60.
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« Reply #105 on: November 13, 2014, 12:49:10 am »
Thanks a lot Maverick!

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« Reply #106 on: November 13, 2014, 07:38:46 am »
My dear maveric,


the ZKB.60 was also called Il-6.


Here is a 3-view to Ilyushin Il-16 and Il-90 airliner projects.

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« Reply #107 on: November 13, 2014, 07:55:57 am »
Here are some nice IL-40 artworks by world of warplanes. very nice.

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« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2014, 10:04:46 am »
Here is a 3-view to Ilyushin Il-16 airliner projects.
Another iteration of the airliner IL-16 (project 1954)

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« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2014, 01:37:41 pm »
Thank you my dear Borovik.

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« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2014, 05:48:56 am »
Attractive design, Borovik, thanks for sharing this good quality drawing.

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« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2014, 06:46:55 am »
Is there any indication, if that quite strange nose was just a radome or if it was there for
aerodynamic reasons, maybe similar the prtruding nose of the Armstrong-Withworth
M-wing ?  ( http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2436.msg184238.html#msg184238 )
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« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2014, 10:15:20 am »

Nothing concrete regarding the configuration of the nose.,
only guesses, inclined to the first version, that is just radome.

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« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2014, 02:47:55 am »
Some more  nice IL-40 artworks by world of warplanes. Enjoy

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« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2014, 03:02:34 am »
Marvelous artwork Athpilot,many thanks for sharing us.

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« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2014, 03:05:06 am »
These splendid pics almost make that ugly beast look good!  ;D

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« Reply #116 on: December 11, 2014, 01:16:44 am »
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2015, 07:28:08 am »

here is a three different versions of Il-64,am I right ?.


Also from Kryl'ya Rodine 8/2003,


the Ilyushin Il-64.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2015, 05:53:44 am »
Hi,


in a Russian book about Ilyushin Il-78,I found one unknown aircraft and some projects,
for the unknown design, Il-783 and maybe they meant Il-78Z,also little known projects,
what was them ?.


Legendarniye 106

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« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2015, 08:49:56 am »
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« Reply #120 on: August 26, 2015, 03:50:24 am »

Il-60 (02.1960)
 Heavy military transport powered by four 8,500-9,500 -ehp turboprops.
MTOW -129,2t.
Its pressurised cargo hold measured 4,0 x 4,0 m  in cross-section, had a length of 30 m
(98 ft 5 in) and featured a rear cargo hatch closed by a loading ramp and a three-section
door. The IL-60 was intended for transporting cargoes with a total weight of up to
40 tonnes (88,190 Ib) over a distance of 3,600 km (2,237 miles)according to other sources 4130 km); with a 10-tonne (22,045-lb) payload its range was 8,700 km (5,407 miles) or 400 soldiers with equipment..
 Competitors:
KB - Antonov - VT-22 (which eventually emerged as the An-22).
KB - Beriev - Be-16
KB - Tupolev - Tu-115.
KB - Myasischev - M-26 (the second with this designation)
                             pictures via E.Chernikov "On the 120th anniversary of S.Ilyushin,
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« Reply #121 on: August 26, 2015, 04:19:08 am »
Excellent work my dear Borovik.

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« Reply #122 on: August 26, 2015, 05:05:13 am »
Hi,


here is a darwings to Ilyushin Il-22 & Il-24 in details.

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« Reply #123 on: August 26, 2015, 05:41:24 am »
in a Russian book about Ilyushin Il-78,I found one unknown aircraft and some projects,
for the unknown design, Il-783 and maybe they meant Il-78Z

Not a "three", not a "zee", but an "E"...

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« Reply #124 on: August 26, 2015, 08:05:43 am »
One of the little known iterations of Il-22 with FSW

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« Reply #125 on: August 26, 2015, 10:32:44 am »
Thank you Skyblazer,


and for my dear Borovk,it's new for me about Il-22 FSW ?!,thanks.

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« Reply #126 on: November 09, 2015, 04:44:49 am »
Hi,

here is the Il-14 bomber project.

http://coollib.net/b/290375/read

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« Reply #127 on: November 09, 2015, 07:34:23 am »
Hi,

here is a 3-view to Ilyushin Il-36,Il-38,Il-42 and Il-48 Projects.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2015, 07:42:23 am by hesham »

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« Reply #128 on: November 10, 2015, 02:28:01 am »
In my opinion when editing the magazine made a mistake, namely: confused signatures depicting IL-38 and IL-48.
That is the last picture in Reply # 127 given IL-38 (with characteristic only to him landing gear)

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« Reply #129 on: December 24, 2015, 08:16:00 am »
Also in my files,

the Ilyushin Il-16 light transport aircraft,had a version with turret gun and some
changes in its fuselage (not the early concept).

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« Reply #130 on: December 27, 2015, 05:44:07 am »
Here are some nice IL-40 artworks by world of warplanes. very nice.

Also the Ilyushin IL-42 had two variants,similar to Il-40.

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« Reply #131 on: December 28, 2015, 05:08:27 am »
Hi,

here is anther two Ilyushin Projects,Il-44 and Il-58 drawings.

Авиация и Космонавтика 4/2015
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« Reply #132 on: December 29, 2015, 05:11:16 am »
Hi,

here is Ilyushin Il-12D drawing,a military version of Il-12,actually built,and unknown
for me,Ilyushin Il-14 Project ?,also a good drawing to Il-16.

Авиация и Космонавтика 10/2014
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« Reply #133 on: December 29, 2015, 05:19:44 am »
From Авиация и Космонавтика 11/2014,

here is a good drawings to Il-64 and Il-74.

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« Reply #134 on: December 29, 2015, 08:44:04 am »
here is anther two Ilyushin Projects,Il-44 and Il-58 drawings.
IL-44 project (1951) with turboprop VK2
IL-58 carrier-based attack aircraft project proposed in the initiative order Ilyushin Design Bureau in 1952. Competitor Tu-91.

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« Reply #135 on: December 29, 2015, 01:16:32 pm »
Nice work my dear Borovik.

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« Reply #136 on: December 29, 2015, 02:44:23 pm »
Thanks for post borovik!!! Any technical data....
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« Reply #137 on: December 30, 2015, 12:13:12 pm »
Any technical data....
No data. These planes remained at the preliminary projects were not even brought to the stage of demonstration models ...
  It is also known that Il-44, except turboprop VK-2 had an alternative embodiment with a powerful piston engine Dobrynin VD-4K.
  As for Il-58, after Stalin's death and her subsequent revision of military doctrine, the interest of the customer to the construction of aircraft carriers, and with them, and planes for their weapons, long disappeared in the Soviet Union.

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« Reply #138 on: January 25, 2016, 06:45:04 am »
Il-44 or a rielaboration of Il-2 with turbo prop  : http://alternathistory.com/proekt-shturmovika-il-44-sssr-1950-god
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« Reply #140 on: January 25, 2016, 11:42:21 am »
Thanks airman, nice found!
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« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2017, 07:36:13 am »
Hi, guys!
One of the very early Il-12 double-tailed project with ACh-31 engines. Note the shape of the fuselage nose part - it was used than in Il-18 (1947)

My dear Ucon,

we can say that,the early Il-18 was appeared in two variants,the first was a four engined airliner
(ACh-72),Project of 1945,and the second was a twin engined (ASh-73TK) experimental airplane
of 1946.

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« Reply #143 on: January 08, 2017, 09:21:42 am »
Hi,

there was earlier Project to Il-62 in 1960,powered by four RD-23-600 engines.

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« Reply #144 on: January 09, 2017, 09:59:58 am »

My dear Ucon,

we can say that,the early Il-18 was appeared in two variants,the first was a four engined airliner
(ACh-72),Project of 1945,and the second was a twin engined (ASh-73TK) experimental airplane
of 1946.

Any Il-18 never was twin-engined. The Il-18 of 1946 was four-engined, and it was 66-seat airliner prototype, not experimental aircraft.

The 1945 project with diesel engines was early version of the same aircraft. The diesels themselves are mentioned as "ACh-72" in some sources, but such an engine never existed; most probably it's a misprint and ACh-32 would be correct. But they weren't ready to fly in 1946 (actually, ACh-32 never reached "flyable" stage), so the project was modified for ASh-73TK radials.
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« Reply #145 on: January 09, 2017, 01:46:07 pm »
My dear Redstar,

I am sure from my source,and it was twin engined,but I don't remember the name
of the magazine now.

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« Reply #146 on: January 09, 2017, 08:33:25 pm »
Dear Hesham,

If any source proclaims Il-18 was twin-engined, that source gives wrong info. The Il-18 of 1946 was actual aircraft, and you can count its engines by yourself. The 1946 project of twin-engined 48-seat airliner with ASh-73 engines actually existed, but it was called Il-14. That's the Il-14 which is mentioned in your post http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4933.msg269206.html#msg269206.
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« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2017, 04:01:08 am »
OK my dear Redstar,

and I will check.

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« Reply #150 on: April 03, 2017, 06:29:09 am »
Hi,

by the way,the Ilyushin Il-76MD-90 was also called Il-150.

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« Reply #151 on: April 05, 2017, 09:59:33 am »
Two models for A-100,was in two different shapes.

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« Reply #152 on: May 26, 2017, 09:39:50 pm »
Hi! Il-46.
http://avia.pro/blog/il-46

https://aviaforum.ru/threads/brigada-obschix-vidov-i-ix-ehskizy-kak-po-anglijski.37112/

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/il46.html

"SV Ilyushin received a task to develop a medium-range high-speed jet bomber (with twice the maximum combat load and range of flight, as compared to Il-28).  Then they made an unusual decision: when creating the IL-46 (as it was called) to build for a full-scale complex comparative evaluation, two different experienced ones: one with a layout close to Il-28, with a straight wing, and the second with a swept one. Indeed, the aerodynamic and structural layout of the IL-28 has proven itself in the process of operation.  This scheme did not allow to reach the preset maximum speed of flight (1000 km / h), but it ensured the achievement of a long flight range with minimum geometric dimensions and mass of the aircraft, and therefore a much lower cost of its manufacture and operation.  The development of the preliminary design project was completed in October 1951.
The second prototype Il-46S ("C" - with a speed of flight of 1000 km / h should have a wing with a sweep of 35degree. Its main feature was a thickened root part for strength and rigidity and placing a significant part of the fuel. On Il-28, all the fuel was placed in the fuselage.The swept wing has several worse load-bearing properties than the straight wing, so its area and mass for Il-46C were increased.The draft design was approved by Ilyushin in December 1951. The first prototype of the Il-46 was a Twin-motor  All-metal midplane with a straight wing and a swept plumage.Externally very similar to the IL-28, the "forty-sixth" was significantly larger and twice as heavy as it was. The turbojet engines with an axial compressor AL-5 (another designation TR-3A) ​​with take-off thrust of 5000 kgs , Developed under the leadership of AM Ljulka.They were located under the wing in the front parts of the nacelle, far removed also beyond the front edge of the plane to balance the mass of the heavy two-gun movable stern  And the mass of the cab of the radio arrowhead with its heavy armor.  Hot gases were thrown at the rear edge of the wing through the long, five-meter tailpipes.  The outer contour of the motor gondolas on the wing section was made taking into account the "area rule" for reducing the interference resistance at the junction of the wing and the gondola. "

"During the factory flight tests, the maximum speed of horizontal flight was reached - 928 km / h at an altitude of 5000 m and the maximum flight range - 4845 km with a combat cargo of 5,000 kg dropped on the half way.  State tests conducted in the summer of 1952 confirmed the compliance of the flight-technical data with the specified ones.  IL-46 was created as an alternative to the Tu-16 bomber.  In the same year of 1952 it was decided to launch the second production in series production, and the IL-46 program stopped work, including the construction of the second pilot IL-46S with a swept wing. "

Wingspan, M 29.00
Length, M 24.50
Height, M 4.78
Area of wing, M2 105.00
Mass, kg ; Empty aircraft 26300, Normal Flight 41840, Maximum Flight 52425
Type of Engine 2 turbojet al-5, Traction, CSC 2 x 5000
Speed, km/h ; Maximum 928, Cruising 700
Flight range, km 4970
Practical Ceiling, M 12700
Crew, person 3
Adopted:
4 x 23 mm HP-23: For the protection of the front hemisphere, two stationary front cannons mounted near the left board of the fuselage under the cabin of the navigator; In the tail of the fuselage, the stern cannons the installation of the Il-K8 with a remote hydraulic drive of two mobile cannons (2 x 320 rounds).
Internal suspension bombing: normal-3000 kg, maximum-6000 kg.
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« Reply #153 on: May 27, 2017, 05:19:46 am »
Hi! Il-30.
http://en.avia.pro/blog/il-30

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-30
"The Ilyushin Il-30 was a Soviet turbojet-powered tactical bomber designed as a higher-performance, swept wing version of the Ilyushin Il-28, in the late 1940s. Its thin wing and engine nacelles necessitated the use of tandem landing gear, the first Soviet aircraft to do so. It was apparently canceled before the prototype made its first flight, although sources disagree with this."
General characteristics(Il-30)
Crew: four
Length: 18 m (59 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 16.5 m (54 ft 2 in)
Wing area: 100 m2 (1,100 sq ft)
Empty weight: 17,033 kg (37,552 lb)
Gross weight: 22,967 kg (50,634 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka TR-3 turbojet, 45.1 kN (10,100 lbf) thrust each
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,000 km/h (621 mph; 540 kn)
Cruise speed: 850 km/h (528 mph; 459 kn)
Range: 3,500 km (2,175 mi; 1,890 nmi)
Service ceiling: 13,000 m (43,000 ft)
Armament
Guns: 6 × 23 mm (0.91 in) Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23 autocannon
Bombs: 4,000 kilograms (8,800 lb)

General characteristics(Il-28) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-28
Crew: Three (pilot, bombardier, gunner)
Length: 17.65 m (57 ft 11 in (excluding cannon))
Wingspan: 21.45 m (70 ft 4½ in (excluding tip tanks))
Height: 6.70 m (22 ft 11¾ in)
Wing area: 60.80 m² (654.5 sq ft), Airfoil: TSAGI SR-5S[13], Aspect ratio: 7.55:1
Empty weight: 12,890 kg (28,417 lb)
Loaded weight: 18,400 kg (40,565 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 21,200 kg (46,738 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Klimov VK-1A turbojets, 26.5 kN (5,952 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 902 km/h (487 knots, 560 mph) at 4,500 m (14,760 ft)
Cruise speed: 770 km/h (415 knots, 478 mph)
Range: 2,180 km (1,176 nmi, 1,355 mi) at 770 km/h (415 knots, 478 mph) and 10,000 m (32,800 ft)
Service ceiling: 12,300 m (40,350 ft)
Rate of climb: 900 m/min (2,950 ft/min)
Armament
Guns: 4 × Nudelman-Rikhter NR-23 cannons (2 in nose and 2 in tail barbette)
Bombs: 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) of bombs in internal bay (1,000 kg (2,200 lb) normal)


http://www.aviastar.org/air/russia/il-30.php
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« Reply #154 on: May 27, 2017, 05:48:31 pm »
Hi! Il-28, Il-30 and Il-46 side view,plan view and front view comparison.
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« Reply #155 on: May 28, 2017, 05:26:20 am »
Hi! Il-54.

http://avia.pro/blog/il-54
http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/strange_vehicles/ilyushin_il-54_blowlamp.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/il54.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilyushin_Il-54
"Because the wings and engine nacelles were too small to house a conventional undercarriage, the Il-54 used a bicycle undercarriage arrangement, with nose and main gear units on the centreline of the aircraft, at each end of the bomb bay. This arrangement meant a conventional rotating takeoff would be impossible. To enable the Il-54 to take off, in a reasonable runway length, the main gear knelt and the nose gear extended to give the ideal angle of incidence for takeoff (10 degrees)." (Il-30 had same concept?)

General characteristics
Crew: three
Length: 28.963 m (95 ft 1/4 in)
Wingspan: 17.65 m (57 ft 11 in)
Wing area: 84.6 m2 (910.7 ft2)
Empty weight: 26,505 kg (58.443 lb)
Gross weight: 41,600 kg (91,728 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Lyulka AL-7 with water injection, 84.34 kN (18,960 lbf) thrust each
Performance
Maximum speed: 1,100-1,150 km/h (683-715 mph)
Maximum speed: Mach 1.15
Range: 2,057 km (1,278 miles)
Service ceiling: 13,630 m (44,720 ft)
Rate of climb: 25.25 m/s (4,924 ft/min)
Armament
1 × 23 mm Nudelman-Rikhter AM-23 cannon in the port forward fuselage.
2 × 23 mm Nudelman-Rikhter AM-23 cannon in the remotely controlled tail barbette
6,000 kg (13,200 lb; maximum load) or 3,000 kg (6,600 lb; normal load) of bombs

Model pictures.
http://www.ussr-airspace.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&cPath=28_39_109&products_id=2733
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« Reply #156 on: May 28, 2017, 05:54:04 am »
borovik-san"s contribution is excellent.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4933.0;attach=120597;image

"Option assembly scheme of IL-54 / low-wing / (23,03,1953) with engines TRD-I. Probably the first project with this designation.
IL-54 / midwing / powered by AL-7 dated (16,11,1953)"
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« Reply #157 on: May 28, 2017, 04:50:54 pm »
Hi! Il-38 and Il-42.
http://alternathistory.com/proekty-frontovykh-bombardirovshchikov-il-38-i-il-42-sssr
Il-38.
"The experience of creating the IL-30 and operating the IL-28 was taken into account in the development of the design of the IL-38 jet bomber with two turbojet engines TR-3, which was considered as a further development of the IL-30.  The new bomber retained the bomb load and the outer forms of the IL-30, but was smaller in size and smaller in weight, with a composition of defensive weapons and with the use of a normal tricycle landing gear.

Il-42 bomber
 In accordance with the wishes of the customer and the government decree of July 10, 1950, the design of the IL-38 aircraft was reworked for the installation of engines TP-3A (AL-5) with a take-off thrust of 5000 kgf.  With a normal bomb load of 2,000 kg (maximum bomb load of 4,000 kg), the aircraft was to have the same flight range as Il-28, a range of 2,400 kilometers and based on the same airfields as the IL-28.  The new aircraft was assigned the designation Il-42, and the OKB began work on producing working drawings and preparing the production for the construction of an experimental machine.

 But already in half a year, when more than 50% of the drawings were produced, and the construction of the experimental car began, the customer made a new requirement to increase the flight range by almost half, and the weight of the maximum bomb cargo - by one and a half.  This requirement was fixed by a government decree of March 24, 1951, according to which S.V.  Ilyushin was obliged to begin factory tests in a year, and in July 1952 to show for state tests an aircraft with the specified flight-technical data.  This new aircraft was an experienced front - line bomber Il-46 . "


Il-46
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft33869.htm
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« Reply #158 on: May 30, 2017, 06:35:39 pm »
So I have two Il-38 drawings. Landing gear shape is different.
Explanation of top drawing is as follows. http://alternathistory.com/proekty-frontovykh-bombardirovshchikov-il-38-i-il-42-sssr
"At the insistence of SV Ilyushin, IL-38 was carried out in triple.  Defensive weapons were the same as Il-28: two HP-23 guns protected the front hemisphere, and the Il-K6 feeder with two HP-23 covered the rear hemisphere. The main support of the chassis was four - under each of the nacelles there were two supports.  They had one wheel each and retracted one forward, the other back.  At the same time, the wheels were rotated 90 ° and laid flat into the lower part of the nacelle.
The bomber project received a positive evaluation from the customer, who, however, deemed it necessary to improve the aircraft's take-off data by installing more powerful engines."
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« Reply #159 on: May 31, 2017, 05:56:55 am »
Hi! Il-40.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-248.html
"IL-40 / IL-40P - BRAWNY
  Stormtrooper.  The proposal for the development of a new Il-40 attack aircraft with TVD-2 (VK-2) was put forward by OKB-240 (OKB SV Ilyushin) at the USSR MAP in the summer of 1949 with the release of a prototype for tests in September 1950. The proposal of OKB- 240 was initially rejected.  Later in 1950-1951 gg.  On the initiative and under the guidance of SV Ilyushin, the layout of the attack aircraft with two AM-5 turbojet engines was developed.  At the end of 1951, a technical proposal for the creation of an attack aircraft was developed.  In January 1951 the proposal was presented to the MAP of the USSR.  The decision of the Council of Ministers of the USSR on the creation of the aircraft was nevertheless adopted on February 1, 1952 and, since the work on the project was carried out even before the adoption of the resolution, on February 23, 1952, the protection of the draft project was defended.  The model of the aircraft was presented to the Air Force Commission in May 1952 and approved.

 The first prototype was built in February 1953. Plant tests were started on March 7, 1953 and the first flight was made on March 17, 1953 (pilot - VK Kokkinaki, engineer - APVinogradov).  At the end of March 1953, during the test shooting of a ground target at the "Faustovo" test site, the phenomenon of engine stop was observed for salvo firing from nasal guns for the first time.  A program has been launched for the development of a gun installation to reduce the effect of propellant gases on the operation of engines.  Tests under this program started on April 1, 1953. Based on the test results, it was decided to replace 6 HP-23 cannons with 4 AM-23 / TKB-495A guns of the same caliber, but with a higher rate of fire and place a gas outlet chamber in the nose of the fuselage. The changes were implemented on the first flight prototype Il-40.  Later, the design of the gas outlet chamber was refined.  The test document, signed by VK Kokkinaki on December 29, 1953, states that with the continuous release of 320 rounds from the bow thruster, there is no engine malfunction.

IL-40P - the second copy of the aircraft with air intakes carried in the bow of the fuselage and a mobile strike artillery installation.  Construction started in 1954. (top drawing)

Il-40K is an artillery reconnaissance scout (a prototype was being built).  In the forward part of the fuselage a transparent lantern with a cabin of the third member of the crew - navigator-spotter is installed.  The navigator's workplace was protected by armor, the front, bottom and side windows of the lantern were made of armor glass.  The RD-9V engines had conventional side air intakes, as on the first test car, guns were supposed to be installed in the wing on the site of the wing bombs.  The first experimental IL-40K was already under construction - the assembly of the fuselage was finished, when the order for the termination of all work on the Il-40 was received.

 Il-40U - training modification (project).

 Il-40R - reconnaissance aircraft (project).

Il-40T - torpedo carrier (project).  The navigator was located in the forward part of the fuselage with a transparent lantern (similar to Il-40K), which had flat upper and lower windshields for aiming at torpedometanii.  The location of RD-9V engines and cannon armament is similar to Il-40K.  Work on IL-40T was stopped at the initial design stage. "

"Serial production .  Apparently in 1954, at the plant No. 168 in Rostov-on-Don, the first series of 40 aircraft of the IL-40 standard was laid, and later the IL-40P.  The first 5 fuselages of serial aircraft are assembled in the pilot production of OKB-240.  In 1955 it was planned to put the first 15 aircraft in the Air Force, then in February 1956 the Minister of the USSR MAP wrote that since the state tests were not completed in 1955 and there is no standard airplane model accepted by the Air Force, the first 15 aircraft of the plant series No. 168 in 1955 could not deliver.  By the spring of 1956, the first 5 Il-40P tanks were assembled at the plant No. 168, with which they were working on the flight-test aerodrome of the plant.  The armored hull for the first serial IL-40 is made of ordinary steel - i.e.  These aircraft could only be used for flight crew training.  Unexpectedly, by resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR of April 13, 1956, the IL-40P aircraft is withdrawn from mass production and work on it is terminated "in connection with equipping the USSR SAS with new types of weapons."  The reserve for the Il-40P series at the plant No. 168 has been destroyed.  Order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR of April 20, 1956 abolished assault aircraft. "

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« Reply #160 on: May 31, 2017, 12:55:08 pm »
Cutaway Ilyuchin Il-54 in free interpretation modified by Motocar
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« Reply #161 on: June 01, 2017, 04:36:26 am »
Thanks a lot. Incredible work as usual!! :D

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« Reply #162 on: June 01, 2017, 08:40:53 pm »
Hi! Tour in OAO Aviation complex. S.V. Ilyushin.
http://andrey-valuev.livejournal.com/4931348.html
You can see Il-30 model and Il-28P model in top and middle of the third picture.

Another site.
http://toyota-club.net/files/lib/z_st/09-02-20_lib_il.htm
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« Reply #163 on: June 01, 2017, 11:41:50 pm »
Hi! Il-22 and Il-24.

http://xn--80aafy5bs.xn--p1ai/aviamuseum/aviatsiya/sssr/bombardirovshhiki-2/bombard-1920-e-1940-e-gody/frontovoj-bombardirovshhik-il-22/

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft22032.htm
http://www.ilyushin.org/press/news/ev2390/?print=y
http://arsenal-info.ru/b/book/1125763788/34
"The IL-24 front bomber project remained unimplemented, with the predecessor's image, but with two more powerful UM TKRD-01 engines. The EI Expert Commission first approved the proposal in May 1947, but after a year the prototype was abandoned. A machine that is not equipped to operate from the ground airfields has been overburdened. Mass construction of runways with existing airfields at the time, the country could not afford.

At the same time, the option with four more promising English turbojet "Ning" was also considered. But he was still on paper."
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #164 on: June 02, 2017, 04:49:09 am »
Top to bottom....
Front bomber, Training version and Naval version.
And front bomber sharp three side view.
Actual wing root shape and cockpit shape are little different from model wing root shape and cockpit shape.
And this three side view drawing has no outer wing fence.

http://www.airwar.ru/other/shawrov/htmls/glava03.html

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/il54.html
This site says that crew are three. But I can see small window behind the pilot. What is this?
"The crew of the aircraft - three people: a pilot, navigator and stern-shooter-radio operator, housed in two (front and rear) hermetic cabs.  The pilot and the navigator entered the plane through a small door on the right side of the fuselage, and the shooter through the lower hatch of his cockpit.  Between the cabs of the navigator and the pilot there was a passage allowing them to communicate with each other in flight.  All crew members jobs had a strong armor protection.  If there is an emergency in the flight, the MPA crew leaves the plane with the help of ejection seats, while the pilot catches up, and the navigator and the shooter - down.  In case of an emergency landing on the water, all crew members could leave the plane through the upper hatches of their cabins and use the automatically disengaged rescue boat LAS-5M.

 The defensive armament of the aircraft consisted of three guns, which had a high rate of fire and the power of a second volley.  The front hemisphere was protected by a stationary gun, mounted on the left side of the fuselage.  Two mobile cannons were installed in the stern of a remotely controlled turret, the combat qualities of which were significantly improved in comparison with the previously used defensive installations.  The weight of the maximum bomb load of the IL-54 aircraft is 5000 kg."
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #165 on: June 03, 2017, 01:10:28 am »
Hi!
Also increase span? Wing sweep back angle decrease? Pilot cockpit height increase? Flap shape is different? Ventral radar size is different?
Fuselage cross section shape is different?

Technical Specifications IL-54 http://www.dogswar.ru/oryjeinaia-ekzotika/aviaciia/5311-opytnyi-dalnii-bomba.html
Wingspan, M 17.65, Length, M 28.96, Height, M 7.90, Area of wing, M2 2.50
Mass, kg, -Empty aircraft 24000, -Normal flight 40660, -Maximum Flight 41600
Engine Type 2 turbojet al-7f, Traction, CSC, -Nonforcing 2 x 6500, -Forcing 2 x 10000
Speed, km/h, -Maximum height at 1250, -Maximum land at 1155, -Cruiser 910
Flight range, km 3000, Run-up, M 1075, Mileage, M 1150
Practical ceiling, M 14000
Crew, person 3
Armament: 3 x 23 mm HP-23 or 2 23 mm cannons TKB-4957: To protect the front hemisphere, one fixed front cannon installed on the left side of the fuselage; In the tail of the aircraft, a stern cannons installation (IL-K8) with a remote hydraulic drive of two mobile cannons. Internal suspension bombing: normal-3000 kg, maximum-5000 kg.

Another information.
http://alternathistory.com/opytnyi-frontovoi-bombardirovshchik-il-54-sssr
http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/strange_vehicles/ilyushin_il-54_blowlamp.html
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft30900.htm
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