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Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« on: October 01, 2006, 11:40:25 am »
Dear Overscan,

by the way the Ilyushin Il-74 and Il-27 were mentioned in english site,
www.mda.org.uk/aircraft/9489.htm
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2006, 11:50:46 am »
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Dear overscan,

by the way the Ilyushin Il-74 and Il-27 were mentionin english site,
www.mda.org.uk/aircraft/9489.htm

Hesham,

Il-74 looks like a Tu-154 but with different housing of the landing gear. Model picture and artist's impression (no three-view drawing) are published in "OKB Ilyushin. A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft" (pg 363/ISBN 1-85780-187-3).

Il-27 - maybe it's an misprint. Two (totally different) projects with the designation Il-72 existed!

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2006, 06:10:21 am »
No boxkite,

the Ilyushin Il-72 was mentioned also in this site.
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2006, 11:04:00 pm »
Hesham,

Can you try to contact the 'webmaster' or anyone else of the RAF Museum website? Maybe they can disclose the reference/source of this mysterious Il-27.

There is no odd number amongst the Il-10/12/14/16/18/20/22/24/26/28/30/32/34 etc.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2006, 12:51:11 am »
Traditionally odd numbers were single crew, even numbers were multiple crew.
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2007, 11:11:16 am »
Dear borovik,

Can I ask you if there was a two projects for Ilyushin in old series
called IL-26 & IL-44 ?.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 07:21:02 am »
Some of unknown (better to say not well known) Ilyushin projects:
Il-90 - narrow and wide body aircraft

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 07:22:40 am »
more
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 07:24:22 am »
Il-74 and Il-96-550

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 07:26:40 am »
Two biz-aircraft - Il-126 and Il-X

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2008, 07:29:24 am »
And two variants of multi-role small aircraft Il-PS
Info about another Ilyushin not well-known aircraft will follow

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 01:02:39 am »
Three more pix:
First project of Il-112 with low wing, and two pix of Il-86 from 1987
- Il-86 tanker, refuling from Il-78;
- Il-86 for 450 paratroopers.
Only one of each were built.
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 01:15:17 pm »
Hi to all.
Maybe this info will be interesting for Topheand for others:))))
twin-boom battle-arcraft MSh-2 - further development of Il-2.
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2008, 01:17:29 pm »
and a wooden model

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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2008, 06:56:17 am »
Hi to all.
Il-64 civil aircraft project.
More info in www.avicopress.ru

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2008, 12:34:14 pm »
Hi to all!
More info about unknown Ilyushin Il-52 flying wing bomber: www.avicopress.ru
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2008, 08:03:19 pm »
and a wooden model
Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.

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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2008, 01:22:00 pm »
Jozef and Konstantin,

I'm a little confused: Il-52-1-1.jpg blueprint shows four jet engines, but in the Il-52-2-2.jpg artwork it looks more like only two jet nozzles one above the other.  ???

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2008, 01:30:51 pm »
Thomas, four engines

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2008, 02:18:07 pm »
Jozef,

Thank you for the detail. Now I can go to bed and sleep tight  ;) .

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2008, 08:16:15 pm »
and a wooden model
Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.
According to
http://users.skynet.be/Emmanuel.Gustin/faq/sov_mil.txt
Ilyushin MSh is a design 1942. "MSh, Ilyushin:  Design for a single-seat attack aircraft with the engine behind the pilot. Not built. 1942."
So MSh-2 may be before 1945? (unsure) ???

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2008, 05:14:35 am »
MSh-2 for me in the same way either as for Tophe absolute (and pleasing) news. 
More info please. (If possible)

If allow.
MSh  Shturmovik (22.07.1942)
Engine AM-38  (1600 hp)
Area wing 41,50m 2
Weights loaded  6000kg
Armament  1 x 37 (40) ShFK-37 by Shpital’nyi or NS-37
                   2 x 20 (200) ShVAK
                   2 x 7,62 (1500) ShKAS

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2008, 07:32:49 am »

      Am I wrong in disagreeing with this being called a 'flying wing'?


Hi to all!
More info about unknown Ilyushin Il-52 flying wing bomber: www.avicopress.ru
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2008, 04:10:48 pm »
Hi to all.
Il-18-1 - very first soviet VIP-liner.
More info see in www.avicopress.ru

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2008, 08:06:03 pm »
Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side. ;)

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2008, 09:26:41 pm »
Hm, I can only see hard working members of the communist party, serving
the hard working soviet people and for this purpose, they of course were given,
what they essentially need to do their job.  ;D
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2008, 11:40:59 pm »
Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side. ;)

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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2008, 10:31:34 am »
Politically interesting... Soviet VIP in a luxury cabin seems a nonsense, as this is looking like capitalism or aristocracy and not at all the communist's people common happiness. Such technical details prove the official speech was full of lies, alas. Marx was as naive as Jesus Christ, human beings are not so good to share, so... ingineers obeyed the practical requirements, no guilt on their side. ;)

Eh, I do find it very surprising that there would be a specialized VIP aircraft (and though many Soviet and PRC leaders would end up having VIP aircraft, they were pretty austere especially by Western standards - not to mention it seems like a high percentage of Communist leaders are afraid to fly!) I suppose it could be configured in a manner similar to a DC-4.
It's a crappy self-made pic of a Lockheed Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), BTW
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2009, 10:52:12 am »
Hi all!
Today is regional prop-liner Il-116.

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2010, 05:52:59 pm »
Hi, guys
Two more Il-56 bomber projects
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2010, 06:40:12 pm »
Never presented three-tailed DB-3F (Il-4) bomber. Please do not use in another site, except SPF

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2010, 09:30:10 pm »
Thanks a lot for these additions, Ucon. Is there an explanation for the 3-fin layout? Either correcting a design mistake or adapting to different engines with a huge torque or taking into accont a load providing unbalance, or else?

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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2010, 09:46:53 am »
Have to say, that second Il-56 drawing looks
very like the Tupolev Tu-98 'Backfin'....


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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2010, 04:57:20 am »
Hi, guys!
One of the very early Il-12 double-tailed project with ACh-31 engines. Note the shape of the fuselage nose part - it was used than in Il-18 (1947)

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2010, 02:28:17 pm »
Il-74 and Il-96-550
Nice design this Russian counterpart to the Airbus 380,its a pitty that the Il-96-550 never was build.
I assume that the number 550 stands for the capacity to accommodate 550 passengers?

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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2010, 04:37:09 pm »
Yes, T-50, you are right

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2010, 08:04:16 pm »
and a wooden model
Lark told me "the type is MSh, a twinboom development of the Shturmovik" and it is true the fins look a lot like 1940-style. Do you know the approximative date of this model/project? And is it twin-engined?
Thanks.

I had been assuming from the first photo that it was a twin pusher (single fuselage). However, the model suggests a tri-motor... Is this correct?

I always wondered why such a configuration wasn't used more often...

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2010, 09:41:06 pm »
Thanks to dear Ucon's sources, I have presented a slanting view of the MSh-2 (twin-engined) on my twin-boom site http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/update_FG.htm (find with Ctrl-f: msh). I hope all will be soon on Avicopress site... (no link yet on the MSh-2 word in Shturmoviki in Ilyushin part of this great site).
Anyway, thanks Avimimus for your suggestion of a 3-engined layout, I will draw it and present it to what-if friends (but not here, where Historic seriousness is the principle) and I may put it on Photobucket giving you the link in a PM.

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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2010, 12:33:34 pm »
Hi all,

do you have drawings and technical data fot the Ilyushin IL.34 transport aircraft?

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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2010, 12:43:38 pm »
Model of Ilyushin Il-74. The Il-74 was a 1966 competitor to the Tupolev Tu-154.

Sources:
http://www.forumavia.ru/forum/2/0/65894329028056453651182871020_all.shtml
http://www.testpilots.ru/tp/russia/ilushin/il_list.htm

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« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2010, 12:57:27 pm »
« Last Edit: July 30, 2010, 01:24:09 pm by Triton »

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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2010, 04:48:59 am »
...and the Il.66
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2010, 04:15:40 am »
Hi,

here is anther Ilyushin projects;

Il-46 with swept wing
Il-54 early design with wing-root intakes and mid-wing
Il-54 variants
Il-40 variants

http://www.airwar.ru/other/shawrov/htmls/glava03.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=ar&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.airwar.ru/other/shawrov/htmls/index.html

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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2010, 11:30:00 am »
Option assembly scheme of IL-54 / low-wing / (23,03,1953) with engines TRD-I. Probably the first project with this designation.
IL-54 / midwing / powered by AL-7 dated (16,11,1953)

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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2010, 11:34:49 am »
Nothing about the Ilyushin Il.34 :-\
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« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2010, 11:58:06 am »
Ilyushin Il-34 was a motor-glider project

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« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2010, 12:14:22 pm »
Yes, a motor-variant of the Il.32, but I have never seen a pic or a drawing... :'( :'(
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« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2010, 01:21:27 pm »
Yes, a motor-variant of the Il.32, but I have never seen a pic or a drawing... :'( :'(

You can find two model pictures of the Il-34 in Yefim Gordon's OKB Ilyushin book (page 192). It's a Midland publication, so I don't want to show a scan here.

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« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2010, 04:43:27 am »
By the way,

that early Ilyushin Il-54 was also called Il-149,
and developed by Sukhoi;

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/avia/data/ic_nomenrussiaavia/57/

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« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2011, 03:29:17 pm »
Yes, a motor-variant of the Il.32, but I have never seen a pic or a drawing... :'( :'(

You can find two model pictures of the Il-34 in Yefim Gordon's OKB Ilyushin book (page 192). It's a Midland publication, so I don't want to show a scan here.
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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2011, 02:24:13 am »
Unfortunately, totaly wrong reconstruction

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« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2011, 11:26:41 am »
OK, my mistake, the picture above is not IL-34.
This reconstruction was done with the model of Il-34, displayed in the Central Armed Forces Museum  in Moscow, and shows the location of the  rear fuselage hinge line and the tail gun turret for self-defense. (Two photos, ¾ front and back) I assume that it is not perfect and is ready to finalize it, relying on documents in size.
(As is well known not mistaken only one who does nothing) If the picture get eye cancer, I or  moderators delete it.

In any case, thanks for the comment.

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« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2011, 11:35:34 am »
Wrong profiles should not be deleted, please, they enjoy what-ifers like me ;) ;D

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« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2011, 12:52:06 pm »
Dear Anatoly!
It is not your mistake, it is just your fantasy)))
Don't be angry with we. If you need blue-prints of Il-34 I can provide you.

The same about some fantasies of Il-16))
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« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2011, 01:58:08 pm »
For the sake of productivity need to compare 'my fantasy' with photographs of model S. Komissarov (of Yefim Gordon's "OKB Ilyushin" book / page 192 /. A Midland publication) and blue-prints of Il-34 that possess you.
In the absence of any other information you feel ridiculous, Western illustrator of the Cold War period "
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Re: Ilyushin Unbuilt Projects
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2011, 11:05:32 am »
By the way,

that early Ilyushin Il-54 was also called Il-149,
and developed by Sukhoi;

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/avia/data/ic_nomenrussiaavia/57/

 ???
There are no any Sukhoi mentions onto your link. And how do you imagine Ilyushin aircraft developed by Sukhoi?
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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2011, 01:18:05 am »
Found this about Il.34:
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« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2012, 12:43:36 pm »
From the German magazine FlugRevue - Klassiker der Luftfahrt, Issue 06/2012
Here some info in German and the source of the 1st photo.
Link: http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.de/de/historie/bild-der-woche/bild-der-woche-iljuschin-il-40.96314.htm
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« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2012, 09:11:25 am »
Il-196 with an original fuselage

It seems like MD-12 and A380.

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« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2012, 04:31:51 am »
From the German magazine FlugRevue - Klassiker der Luftfahrt, Issue 06/2012
Here some info in German and the source of the 1st photo.
Link: http://www.klassiker-der-luftfahrt.de/de/historie/bild-der-woche/bild-der-woche-iljuschin-il-40.96314.htm


Hi,


http://lib.rus.ec/b/209616/read#t4

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« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2013, 04:07:10 pm »
Topic consolidated with elements from older threads. Please use this for post-war projects that are insufficiently documented for now to have their own topic.

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« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2013, 08:04:48 am »
The early drawing to Ilyushin Il-103,please note the different between it
and the actually built.


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1990/1990%20-%203288.html

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« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2013, 12:21:18 pm »
Il-103 from Flight = fantasy)))


And Il-38 (bomber, first with this designation)

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« Reply #66 on: March 09, 2013, 01:51:49 pm »
Thank you my dear Ucon,


but is there a complete drawing to it ?.

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« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2013, 06:39:31 am »
I have found this Ilyushin gunship proposal which most likely remained a project.

Any idea what was its designation? Any details about its development, approximate year, etc.?

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« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2013, 08:47:38 am »
Stephane!
This is from Avico Press reklama))
I think, I have posted it in SPF


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« Reply #69 on: April 10, 2013, 09:05:53 am »
Il-114TOP
Fire support Il-114T

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« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2013, 05:58:39 am »
Hi,


here is a strange drawing to Il-22 Bomber (the left one),from old Russian book
about Ilyushin OKB,was there a more drawings to early Il-22 design ?.

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« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2013, 09:43:40 am »
This type is mentioned in Tony Buttlers "Soviet Secret Projects" as Il-24. Actually, it is said
to have been a redesigned Il-22 with four RD-45 (Nene) engines.
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« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2013, 10:17:04 am »
hI HESHAM
From the book "OKB ILYUSHIN"
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« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2013, 04:10:21 pm »
Yes,you are right my dears Jemiba and Toura,


and here is from anther book,the Ilyushin Il-24.

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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2013, 06:36:50 am »
Hi,


anther drawing to Il-54,but why the landing gear is different ?.

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« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2013, 07:26:03 am »
Judging the different angles, I would assume, that during take-off, when the aircraft already was stabilised
aerodynamically (and the outriggers already retracted), the angle of attack could be increased by partly
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« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2013, 07:31:20 am »
but why the landing gear is different ?.
The Il-54 was built AND flown.

Something I remember reading in 'OKB Ilyushin: A History of the Design Bureau and its Aircraft' and referred to by Wiki:
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Because the wings and engine nacelles were too small to house a conventional undercarriage, the Il-54 used a bicycle undercarriage arrangement, with nose and main gear units on the centreline of the aircraft, at each end of the bomb bay. This arrangement meant a conventional rotating take-off would be impossible. To enable the Il-54 to take-off, in a reasonable runway length, the main gear knelt and the nose gear extended to give the ideal angle of incidence for take-off (10 degrees).
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« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2013, 07:48:15 am »
Thank you my dears Jemiba and Arjen.

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Hi,


here is a three different versions of Il-64,am I right ?.

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« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2013, 11:06:53 am »
Ilyushin civil aircraft development.

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« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2013, 02:59:03 pm »
Great find Stashandr.

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Hi,


I found this artist drawing to twin engined aircraft in the Ilyushin site,but I don't
know if it is a real design or just a hypothetical one.


http://www.ilyushin.org/businesses/create_aircraft/

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« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2013, 06:44:36 am »
never heard of IL-112?
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« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2013, 06:53:04 am »
never heard of IL-112?


My dear Flateric,


do you mean this drawing for Il-112 ?.

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« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2013, 10:25:25 am »
Yes, my dear Hesham, it is a drawing of the Ilyushin Il-112.

"Ilyushin Il-112"
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8748.msg78020.html#msg78020
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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2013, 01:54:07 pm »
Oops, sorry.

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« Reply #86 on: December 06, 2013, 10:39:54 am »
Dimensions of Il-196

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« Reply #87 on: December 06, 2013, 10:48:52 am »
Il-96-550 with NK-93 and PS-90A-20 engines.

Note: Il-96-550 is a medium-range aircraft.

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« Reply #88 on: December 06, 2013, 03:23:05 pm »
Great find Stashandr.

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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2014, 05:31:22 am »
Hi,


here is the Russian new AWACS aircraft,the Ilyushin/Alexeyev A-100,intended to appear in 2016.

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« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2014, 03:59:45 pm »
That is not A-100, atleast certainly not in its current form.
Push the envelope,watch it bend.

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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2014, 04:18:09 pm »
That is not A-100, atleast certainly not in its current form.


Hi Flanker,


but they called it Il-476 or A-100 ?.

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« Reply #92 on: April 19, 2014, 04:56:03 am »
A-100

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« Reply #93 on: April 19, 2014, 03:04:45 pm »
but they called it Il-476 or A-100 ?.

The A-100 Premier (А-100 «Премьер») is an airborne warning and control system based on the Il-476 with PS-90A engines, with delivery to Russian Air Force scheduled to begin in 2016. It is indeed the aircraft depicted by stashandr.

An A-100E version (А-100Э) has also been quoted, but I do not know the details thereof.

I had both listed under Beriev. Is there evidence that these would be done by Alexeyev, as hesham suggested?

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« Reply #94 on: April 19, 2014, 03:12:13 pm »
E=Export version
there's no Alekseyev bureau for ages
both are TANTK Beriev
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E=Export version
there's no Alekseyev bureau for ages
both are TANTK Beriev


Thank you my dear Flateric,,and I read it on Internet before,but I don't know it was a mistake.

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« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2014, 06:34:41 am »
Hi,


the Il-96 was early development of convertible passenger/cargo aircraft project ,based on Il-76,later
re-allocated to airliner aircraft,has anyone a drawing to it ?.

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« Reply #97 on: May 22, 2014, 02:41:45 am »
In the latest issue of Air International, June 2014, there are two pictures at page 51 showing first a model of the Beriev A-100 AWACS and second an impression of the Beriev A-60M laser-gun derivative under development.
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« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2014, 03:29:51 am »
Thank you my dear Rolf.

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« Reply #99 on: May 22, 2014, 08:57:01 am »

First variants of IL - 86 a) on the basis of the Il-76. two other schemes on the basis of the Il-62. In addition, the project goes back to January 1967 Airbus Il -76 for 250 passengers. from the book: Yu.Egorov ". The aircraft design Bureau Ilyushin"

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the Il-96 was early development of convertible passenger/cargo aircraft project ,based on Il-76,later[/size]re-allocated to airliner aircraft,has anyone a drawing to it ?.
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« Reply #100 on: May 22, 2014, 01:38:02 pm »
Excellent my dear Borovik,many thanks.

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« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2014, 04:27:13 am »

And Il-38 (bomber, first with this designation)


And here is the Il-38 Bomber.

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« Reply #102 on: November 12, 2014, 02:12:43 pm »
Hi!

Heres the Il-4 TK high altitude version of this well known bomber.
And a shturmovik project IL-60.

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« Reply #103 on: November 12, 2014, 03:12:06 pm »
Thank you Athpilot,


but I think you meant Il-6,and not Il-60.

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« Reply #104 on: November 13, 2014, 12:00:24 am »
You are both not correct, athpilot pic shows the ZKB.60.
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« Reply #105 on: November 13, 2014, 12:49:10 am »
Thanks a lot Maverick!

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« Reply #106 on: November 13, 2014, 07:38:46 am »
My dear maveric,


the ZKB.60 was also called Il-6.


Here is a 3-view to Ilyushin Il-16 and Il-90 airliner projects.

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« Reply #107 on: November 13, 2014, 07:55:57 am »
Here are some nice IL-40 artworks by world of warplanes. very nice.

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« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2014, 10:04:46 am »
Here is a 3-view to Ilyushin Il-16 airliner projects.
Another iteration of the airliner IL-16 (project 1954)

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« Reply #109 on: November 14, 2014, 01:37:41 pm »
Thank you my dear Borovik.

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« Reply #110 on: November 15, 2014, 05:48:56 am »
Attractive design, Borovik, thanks for sharing this good quality drawing.

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« Reply #111 on: November 15, 2014, 06:46:55 am »
Is there any indication, if that quite strange nose was just a radome or if it was there for
aerodynamic reasons, maybe similar the prtruding nose of the Armstrong-Withworth
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« Reply #112 on: November 15, 2014, 10:15:20 am »

Nothing concrete regarding the configuration of the nose.,
only guesses, inclined to the first version, that is just radome.

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« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2014, 02:47:55 am »
Some more  nice IL-40 artworks by world of warplanes. Enjoy

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« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2014, 03:02:34 am »
Marvelous artwork Athpilot,many thanks for sharing us.

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« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2014, 03:05:06 am »
These splendid pics almost make that ugly beast look good!  ;D

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« Reply #116 on: December 11, 2014, 01:16:44 am »
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« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2015, 07:28:08 am »

here is a three different versions of Il-64,am I right ?.


Also from Kryl'ya Rodine 8/2003,


the Ilyushin Il-64.

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« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2015, 05:53:44 am »
Hi,


in a Russian book about Ilyushin Il-78,I found one unknown aircraft and some projects,
for the unknown design, Il-783 and maybe they meant Il-78Z,also little known projects,
what was them ?.


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« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2015, 08:49:56 am »
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« Reply #120 on: August 26, 2015, 03:50:24 am »

Il-60 (02.1960)
 Heavy military transport powered by four 8,500-9,500 -ehp turboprops.
MTOW -129,2t.
Its pressurised cargo hold measured 4,0 x 4,0 m  in cross-section, had a length of 30 m
(98 ft 5 in) and featured a rear cargo hatch closed by a loading ramp and a three-section
door. The IL-60 was intended for transporting cargoes with a total weight of up to
40 tonnes (88,190 Ib) over a distance of 3,600 km (2,237 miles)according to other sources 4130 km); with a 10-tonne (22,045-lb) payload its range was 8,700 km (5,407 miles) or 400 soldiers with equipment..
 Competitors:
KB - Antonov - VT-22 (which eventually emerged as the An-22).
KB - Beriev - Be-16
KB - Tupolev - Tu-115.
KB - Myasischev - M-26 (the second with this designation)
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« Reply #121 on: August 26, 2015, 04:19:08 am »
Excellent work my dear Borovik.

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« Reply #122 on: August 26, 2015, 05:05:13 am »
Hi,


here is a darwings to Ilyushin Il-22 & Il-24 in details.

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« Reply #123 on: August 26, 2015, 05:41:24 am »
in a Russian book about Ilyushin Il-78,I found one unknown aircraft and some projects,
for the unknown design, Il-783 and maybe they meant Il-78Z

Not a "three", not a "zee", but an "E"...

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« Reply #124 on: August 26, 2015, 08:05:43 am »
One of the little known iterations of Il-22 with FSW

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« Reply #125 on: August 26, 2015, 10:32:44 am »
Thank you Skyblazer,


and for my dear Borovk,it's new for me about Il-22 FSW ?!,thanks.

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« Reply #126 on: November 09, 2015, 04:44:49 am »
Hi,

here is the Il-14 bomber project.

http://coollib.net/b/290375/read

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« Reply #127 on: November 09, 2015, 07:34:23 am »
Hi,

here is a 3-view to Ilyushin Il-36,Il-38,Il-42 and Il-48 Projects.
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« Reply #128 on: November 10, 2015, 02:28:01 am »
In my opinion when editing the magazine made a mistake, namely: confused signatures depicting IL-38 and IL-48.
That is the last picture in Reply # 127 given IL-38 (with characteristic only to him landing gear)

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« Reply #129 on: December 24, 2015, 08:16:00 am »
Also in my files,

the Ilyushin Il-16 light transport aircraft,had a version with turret gun and some
changes in its fuselage (not the early concept).

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« Reply #130 on: December 27, 2015, 05:44:07 am »
Here are some nice IL-40 artworks by world of warplanes. very nice.

Also the Ilyushin IL-42 had two variants,similar to Il-40.

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« Reply #131 on: December 28, 2015, 05:08:27 am »
Hi,

here is anther two Ilyushin Projects,Il-44 and Il-58 drawings.

Авиация и Космонавтика 4/2015
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« Reply #132 on: December 29, 2015, 05:11:16 am »
Hi,

here is Ilyushin Il-12D drawing,a military version of Il-12,actually built,and unknown
for me,Ilyushin Il-14 Project ?,also a good drawing to Il-16.

Авиация и Космонавтика 10/2014
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« Reply #133 on: December 29, 2015, 05:19:44 am »
From Авиация и Космонавтика 11/2014,

here is a good drawings to Il-64 and Il-74.

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« Reply #134 on: December 29, 2015, 08:44:04 am »
here is anther two Ilyushin Projects,Il-44 and Il-58 drawings.
IL-44 project (1951) with turboprop VK2
IL-58 carrier-based attack aircraft project proposed in the initiative order Ilyushin Design Bureau in 1952. Competitor Tu-91.

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« Reply #135 on: December 29, 2015, 01:16:32 pm »
Nice work my dear Borovik.

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« Reply #136 on: December 29, 2015, 02:44:23 pm »
Thanks for post borovik!!! Any technical data....
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« Reply #137 on: December 30, 2015, 12:13:12 pm »
Any technical data....
No data. These planes remained at the preliminary projects were not even brought to the stage of demonstration models ...
  It is also known that Il-44, except turboprop VK-2 had an alternative embodiment with a powerful piston engine Dobrynin VD-4K.
  As for Il-58, after Stalin's death and her subsequent revision of military doctrine, the interest of the customer to the construction of aircraft carriers, and with them, and planes for their weapons, long disappeared in the Soviet Union.

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« Reply #138 on: January 25, 2016, 06:45:04 am »
Il-44 or a rielaboration of Il-2 with turbo prop  : http://alternathistory.com/proekt-shturmovika-il-44-sssr-1950-god
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« Reply #140 on: January 25, 2016, 11:42:21 am »
Thanks airman, nice found!
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« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2017, 07:36:13 am »
Hi, guys!
One of the very early Il-12 double-tailed project with ACh-31 engines. Note the shape of the fuselage nose part - it was used than in Il-18 (1947)

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we can say that,the early Il-18 was appeared in two variants,the first was a four engined airliner
(ACh-72),Project of 1945,and the second was a twin engined (ASh-73TK) experimental airplane
of 1946.

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« Reply #143 on: January 08, 2017, 09:21:42 am »
Hi,

there was earlier Project to Il-62 in 1960,powered by four RD-23-600 engines.

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« Reply #144 on: January 09, 2017, 09:59:58 am »

My dear Ucon,

we can say that,the early Il-18 was appeared in two variants,the first was a four engined airliner
(ACh-72),Project of 1945,and the second was a twin engined (ASh-73TK) experimental airplane
of 1946.

Any Il-18 never was twin-engined. The Il-18 of 1946 was four-engined, and it was 66-seat airliner prototype, not experimental aircraft.

The 1945 project with diesel engines was early version of the same aircraft. The diesels themselves are mentioned as "ACh-72" in some sources, but such an engine never existed; most probably it's a misprint and ACh-32 would be correct. But they weren't ready to fly in 1946 (actually, ACh-32 never reached "flyable" stage), so the project was modified for ASh-73TK radials.
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« Reply #145 on: January 09, 2017, 01:46:07 pm »
My dear Redstar,

I am sure from my source,and it was twin engined,but I don't remember the name
of the magazine now.

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« Reply #146 on: January 09, 2017, 08:33:25 pm »
Dear Hesham,

If any source proclaims Il-18 was twin-engined, that source gives wrong info. The Il-18 of 1946 was actual aircraft, and you can count its engines by yourself. The 1946 project of twin-engined 48-seat airliner with ASh-73 engines actually existed, but it was called Il-14. That's the Il-14 which is mentioned in your post http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4933.msg269206.html#msg269206.
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« Reply #147 on: January 10, 2017, 04:01:08 am »
OK my dear Redstar,

and I will check.

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