Avro Atlantic

[The Wooksta!]

Okay, hardly secret although lesser known would more fit the bill.

Does anyone have a three view drawing of this projected airliner variation on the Vulcan?  I have some bits and bobs scabbed off the interweb - including a seating plan! - but no three views.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Ta!

[TinWing]

I am assuming that this is the site where you found the seating plans:

http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~jnoakes/ram/atlantic.html

[Jemiba]

...3, 2, 1, let's start ! Who'll be the first ?   
If until this afternoon/evening nobody else have posted something, I would
scan, what's in "Stuck on the drawing board" ...

[lark]

There's an excellent 3-view in an earlier Air Enthusiast Quarterly.
I send more details this evening.

[Jemiba]

I'm deeply shocked ! I was absolutely shure, that there is at least one 3-view
in Paynes "Stuck on the drawing board", but there isn't, just an artist's impression,
I must apologize.
lark, now it's on you ... !

[lark]

Here is the info.

Avro 722 Atlantic : Air Enthusiast No.19 August-November 1982
                           page 25.
Another early Avro jetliner project was the Avro type 693 - September 1946-to Brabazon Spec.Type 3.
                           Air Enthusiast  No.26,page 76

[hesham]

also I hear that,Avro-722 Atantic,Vickers VC-5 and Handley Page HP.111 were the British rivals aircraft
to American Boeing model-707.

[PMN1]

How would a delta wing airliner compare in performance to the traditionally shaped airliner?

[PMN1]

Some info on the Avro Atlantic

http://www.chat.carleton.ca/~jnoakes/ram/atlantic.html

The Handley Page HP97

http://www.handleypage.com/Aircraft_hp97.html

and some information on the various V-bomber derivatives

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread212956/pg1

The figures compared to the B707 are intresting, though not sure what version of the 707.

[flateric]

Here it goes from Air Enthusiast 19 article 'The Vulcan...(Almost) A Valediction.'

[Akaikaze]

  Oooooo....I like.  This would have saved a lot of work on Concorde. 

[Jemiba]

But with the wing of the Vulcan, it probably would have remained
subsonic  ...

[Skybolt]

Absolutely subsoninc... look at the leading edge for start...

[Akaikaze]

Subsonic, but excellent for learning low-speed handling of tailless deltas and just general flight handling of such a machine in a commercial environment, anyway.  Concorde went straight for the throat and took some time to master.  This would have be perfect for a stepped approach, up to the transonic area.  Concorde and 'Charger' were the first, and so far, only tailless commercial transports to date.  And they are widely see as expensive because they jumped too far.  Avro's design fits right in the middle.  Standard jet performance with a radical layout. 

[Kim Margosein]

I don't think it mattered at the time, but the engine in the wing design the British preferred would seem to doom the airframe when the high bypass turbofans came to be.  Also, wouldn't those thick wings mean for a lower speed? 

IIRC, even though the VC.7 prototype was well along, wasn't the design full of too many military features that would lead to poor civil economics?