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Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« on: June 26, 2006, 03:23:45 pm »
A fellow aviation collector I know in Japan posted this image to our forum and he tells me that it was some sort of full-size RCS test model for a proposed Japanese fighter design. I've never seen anything like this in the press before but it appears to be some sort of F-22-based model with what looks like a tandem cockpit.

Does this represent an ongoing development program or is this just an RCS study?
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 04:11:24 pm »
Hmmm ... I agree with You it was a very big surprise when this picture was released for the first time, but since it can be found on the TRDI-site it seems quite real.  ;D

http://www.jda-trdi.go.jp/topics.html

What was discussed at the Keymags-forum here and "tarou-o" told us, that this is a pure RCS-model (similar to the British Replica) which will maybe lead to a flyable demonstrator called ATD-X:


Quote from: tarou-o
This text says it is RCS test frame, not ATD-X.
It also says reduction model will fly by remote control this year.

ATD-X's first test flight will be in 2011.
ATD-X is expected to include 3DTVC, co-cured composites, radar-absorbent materials, digital fly-by-light and Integrated Flight Propulsion Control.
Avionics to include conformal radar, IR seeker and Rader Datalink ESM.

http://www.sjac.or.jp/kaihou/200507/boueisoubi_3.pdf

Here's another diagram in Japanese.

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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2006, 05:09:52 pm »
Got any pictures of the ATD-X, Andreas?

I'm also curious as to the planned powerplant- 3DTVC and the layout shown in that diagram suggest to me a signle engine......
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2006, 03:24:10 am »
Looking at that RCS model again more closely, it seems that there's two engines and maybe external paddles for thrust vectoring like the X-31?
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2006, 04:52:05 am »
Here's a profile I whipped up to give ATD-X some "life":



I'm going with a more F-22 style thrust vectoring exhaust and twin engines than my original supposition of X-31 style paddles (which wouldn't be very stealthy anyway).
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2006, 04:36:53 pm »
More of the ADT-X, posted by Don Chan on the Keypublishing forums:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=132932
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2006, 09:28:17 am »
So if I understand well, the japanese program is as follow
- test of the future engine on the ground in 1998
- test flight of the engine in 2007
- a stealth demonstrator the ATD-X in 2011
And after that? a stealth, F-3 japanese fighter to replace the F-2 and F-15J in 2020?
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2006, 04:00:17 pm »
The keyword is "program". I think that we can also say "wish" instead of "program". The main problem is that Japan doesnt export its weapons. It means, that they will never develop totaly new fighter because of the costs reasons. If the ATD-X be build, also its name suggests that it will be only flying testbed for a new technologies. Technologies that will be implemented in some modified foreign plane like in F-2. And the quantity and quality of modifications once again depends on available funds.
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2006, 07:10:59 pm »
Quote from: Matej on July 05, 2006, 04:00:17 pm
The keyword is "program". I think that we can also say "wish" instead of "program". The main problem is that Japan doesnt export its weapons. It means, that they will never develop totaly new fighter because of the costs reasons. If the ATD-X be build, also its name suggests that it will be only flying testbed for a new technologies. Technologies that will be implemented in some modified foreign plane like in F-2. And the quantity and quality of modifications once again depends on available funds.

It only seems to be a matter of time before the military export ban is lifted.

It also seems increasingly likely that Japan will "re-arm" in the next decade or two.

To an outside observer, it would seem difficult to make a business case for a Japanese domestic program for a combat aircraft, but the same could have been said about the C-X.
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2006, 02:43:57 am »
Updated: With pic instead of link

I don't have the August 2006 issue of Koku Fan, which this is from, but saw this and was wondering what the plane is? Chinese, Russian, Indian? It reminds me of some of the concept drawings of the T-50 and/or Chinese Stealth drawings.

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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2006, 03:29:26 am »
The link isn't working as HobbyLink Japan doesn't allow hotlinking to specific images....
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2006, 05:54:43 am »
Thanks for fixing the link. I think this thread will have the answers you're looking for: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=430.0
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2006, 10:10:29 am »
It sure does, thanks. I can't believe I missed that thread. Well, since the U.S. isn't going to be selling F-22's to Japan, it looks like this plane may get developed.
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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 05:45:53 pm »
Quote from: Sentinel Chicken on June 27, 2006, 04:52:05 am
Here's a profile I whipped up to give ATD-X some "life":
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I'm going with a more F-22 style thrust vectoring exhaust and twin engines than my original supposition of X-31 style paddles (which wouldn't be very stealthy anyway).


Here's a better picture of that ATD-X stealthy dempnstrator !!!

Source: http://www.asagumo-news.com/news/200611/061116/06111602.html


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Re: Mitsubishi ATD-X Shinshin
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2006, 10:39:42 pm »
Nice one! What little could be seen of the nozzles in the previous pictures had me wondering about their configuration - this photo reveals some interesting details :)
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