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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2013, 07:43:33 am »
Of course, with NASA websites down, it's not possible to check if those are even the current NTRS links.

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #137 on: December 15, 2013, 05:53:22 pm »
Republic Aviation LEM proposal model, on display at the Cradle of Aviation museum.

(Smaller examples of these photos were posted earlier in this thread).


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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #138 on: December 15, 2013, 06:57:01 pm »
Wow! Did the USSR have a mole at Republic?  :P
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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #139 on: December 16, 2013, 11:45:47 pm »
Wow! Did the USSR have a mole at Republic?  :P


...No more than they probably did at GE. These images popped up around the same time Mark Wade posted the first pages regarding the GE Modular Apollo proposal that, difference in shapes aside, was functionally identical to the Soyuz basic design, and all of a sudden there was a flurry of discussions - some of which deteriorated into ~CT/Stuff4/Guthball "wanking nutjob troll" threads very quickly - as to whether or not Sergei Pavlovich's design team were being fed documents swiped from GE, Republic, Grumman and North American by the KGB. IIRC, Mark, Henry Spencer, Jim Oberg and several of the other regulars - Charles Vick may have been involved from the outside as well - started connecting the dots and ruled out the Soyuz being a GE swipe, but the Republic LM and the Soviet LK designs came about as being a bit too close for comfort. Especially when those post-LK designs started leaking out where it was *very* obvious that Mishin's post-Korolev team had outright swiped Grumman's design for the LM lander legs, most likely by just walking up to the one of the many mockups being shown off after A11, whipping out a cloth tape measure, and copying down the numbers without anyone being the least bit suspicious.

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #140 on: September 09, 2014, 10:44:11 am »
All the documentation I linked to in Posts 93 and 95 of this thread can now be downloaded from Box.net via the link below.

https://app.box.com/s/rsaernej3apvtuxkwo1s



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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #141 on: July 04, 2015, 09:34:00 am »
Vought Astronautics Apollo Solar Array


Here are three images of the "Apollo Solar Array" from the VAHF archives.




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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #143 on: November 10, 2015, 05:50:33 pm »
Just posted by the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) among the latest group of Atlas photos uploaded to their Flickr site is this photo of an early Convair Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) mock-up:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/22909643782/
"Atlas Details: LEM Mockup; Phase A; Exterior of Crew Compartment Without Instrument Case Date: 06/06/1962"

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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #144 on: December 15, 2015, 12:17:23 pm »
Just posted on Flickr by the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM), photos of models what appears to be proposed Convair / General Dynamics Apollo hardware. Currently, the captions with these most recently posted photos are a bit out of phase, so they can't be relied upon.

Models of Apollo Command Module and Service Module proposal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/23726540196/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/23125852923/


And these photos of what should have the caption, "Bossart and Culbertson with Upper Stage Vehicle Model Date: 01/22/1964." Given the proportions and shape, this appears to be the Service Module for the Apollo hardware posted above, but I may be mistaken. "Bossart and Culbertson" are Convair/GD's Karel "Charlie" Bossart and Philip Culbertson.  The model (I wish they posted these photos at a larger resolution) features Apollo SM'esque quad RCS nozzles, General Dynamics'-then logo, and wording that reads "Manufacturing Proof Hardware - Dept. 190".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/23456982820/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/23125860753/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/23456986290/


Any corrections to my assumptions are welcome.


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Re: Other Apollo Projects: What Should Have Been
« Reply #145 on: December 07, 2016, 03:01:51 am »
San Diego Air & Space Museum had uploade more picture
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