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Offline Michel Van

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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2008, 12:33:58 pm »
Nº 3 may be a David Clark XMC-2 ?
thanks for picture Justo
after i check the video again

nr 3 IS a David Clark XMC-2 suit



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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2008, 12:11:44 pm »
Does anyone have good-quality, hi-res photos of Dyna-Soar mock-up with USAF astronauts posing near it?
Something like these...
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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2008, 02:21:10 pm »
Sorry nothing best ...

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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2008, 04:53:25 pm »
Martin Dyna-Soar proposal as of March 1959.

enjoy http://www.dtic.mil/srch/doc?collection=1EDA8F23681120DB&id=AD0318479
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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2008, 04:57:40 pm »
Once seen on eBay, gone with the wind - Lockheed's WS-464L as of March 1958
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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2008, 04:59:36 pm »
Northrop's Dyna...
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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2008, 05:01:25 pm »
...and Republic's 'satelloid'
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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2008, 07:39:08 am »
Hi Flateric
"X belly" drawing is 1960 Lockheed & Hughes "space ferry " project.
From "The Dream Machines" by Ron Miller , Krieger Publishing ,1993

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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2008, 04:35:27 pm »
Early versions of the Titan III...

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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2008, 06:30:13 am »
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Cult_spacecraft_Part_One_The_Little_Spaceplane_That_Could_Not_999.html

Good article on DynaSoar (aside some errors like the lead blocks in the orbiter noses; and the fact that ARD -1998-  did not compete with Hermes - cancelled in 1992)

My humble opinion now  ;D

When one hear of DynaSoar for the first time, three questions come to mind

(past the "whoaaa, they planned a shuttle before the shuttle!" excitation)

- Would Dynasoar have worked, considering all the problems with the current shuttle, and the fact DynaSoar was imagined 15 years before ?

- What about DynaSoar in USAF service ? how difficult to fly ? how difficult to maintain ?

- What influence on the Shuttle if it had entered service ?

Well, this article is the FIRST, in many readings, that give me CLEAR answers to these questions...


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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2008, 08:23:01 am »
McNamara was a hater.
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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2008, 05:50:54 am »

When one hear of DynaSoar for the first time, three questions come to mind

(past the "whoaaa, they planned a shuttle before the shuttle!" excitation)

- Would Dynasoar have worked, considering all the problems with the current shuttle, and the fact DynaSoar was imagined 15 years before ?

- What about DynaSoar in USAF service ? how difficult to fly ? how difficult to maintain ?

- What influence on the Shuttle if it had entered service ?

Well, this article is the FIRST, in many readings, that give me CLEAR answers to these questions...

that a good question and here some aswer
(i know this is not a Wat if Forum...)

Dynasoar had work, the Main frame design had some flaw but can get solved
it had fly even better as shuttle aka the "flying brick"

after Astronautix - http://www.astronautix.com/craft/dynasoar.htm
Dyna-Soar as hypersonic research vehicle first flight in March 1963 to 1965
with first unmanned Orbital flight in 1965
Dyna Soar as hypersonic reconnaissance vehicle would deployed in mid-1969.
with first Orbital flight in 1967 December 1 - Dynasoar 9
Dyna Soar as hypersonic, global, strategic bombardment and reconnaissance system, operational in mid-1974.
after this very slow development there will be a
Dyna Soar as Space Shuttle with 5 Astronauts on board for 1978

Cost ?
maintenance is cheaper than shuttle ! No SSME, SRMB, ET etc.
i guess the cost are low around $ 5-10 (1965 value) million on Dyna Soar alone
(NOT including buildings, facilities, training, salaries, etc)
expensive is the Titan-IIIC Flyaway Unit Cost $: 20 million. (1965 value )

total cost in 1965 dollar would be around $40-50 million per mission



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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2008, 06:33:07 pm »
DynaSoar could have worked for sure, but it would likely be grounded after an initial series of missions due to the flaws in the concept.  The biggest virtue of DynaSoar would have been proving that lifting re-entry is not optimal for a dense re-entry body.

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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2008, 07:25:27 pm »
McNamara was a hater.

...It wasn't that he was a hater, it was that he was a schmuck. You should hear some of his lectures and read some of his writings trying to defend his decisions as SecDev. Only Symington's decision on the Flying Wing and Dickhead's over the YF-23 make less sense, and that's an understatement.

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Re: Dynasoar
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2008, 07:27:08 am »
Roger that! :)

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