Mitsubishi A5M3: a carrier-based Hisso-powered "Claude"

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Hi,


the Mitsubishi A5M3 was a single seat fighter prototype,powered by one 601 hp
Hispano-Suiza 12 Xcrs engine.
 

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All variants of the "Claude" in profile form:
 

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Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire. :D
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A5M
Source : Internet site.
 

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Thank you my dear Blackkite,


but I think the photo for its real prototype is rare.
 
I have never seen any. I suppose that if any had existed they would have been in the books by now...
 
Hi!
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=TYS2qck2bI8C&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=%E5%B7%9D%E5%B4%8E%E3%80%80%E3%82%AD%EF%BC%95%E8%A9%A6%E4%BD%9C%E6%88%A6%E9%97%98%E6%A9%9F&source=bl&ots=K-fsiu3bSG&sig=AKLDH-CYPHra5X-Ft011CqnAJH4&hl=ja&sa=X&ei=5JgjVNnTBoqm8AW_w4D4Aw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=%E5%B7%9D%E5%B4%8E%E3%80%80%E3%82%AD%EF%BC%95%E8%A9%A6%E4%BD%9C%E6%88%A6%E9%97%98%E6%A9%9F&f=false
 
Oh my God! Why such a long link? Giving the link up to the page number is enough!!

http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=TYS2qck2bI8C&pg=PA19

Let me explain:
  • http://books.google.co.jp/ (domain > replacing "co.jp" by "com", "fr", etc. will make the Google pages switch to English, French, etc.)
  • books?id=TYS2qck2bI8C (unique identifier of book)
  • &pg=PA19 (page number)
In this case however, the page number you provided is incorrect, because it is the page where you first landed, not the page where you found the information or photo you wanted to share.
 
No no. It's general information.　Genealogy of a Japanese army fighter .
 
Hi!
You can see the muzzle of a 20mm motor cannon at the front end of the spinner.

http://k2today.seesaa.net/category/22943243-1.html
 

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A most beautiful aircraft and an amazing scale model. Thanks for sharing!
 
Hi!
Left side drawing shows 9-shi single seat fighter No.1 aircraft.
Right side drawing shows modified 9-shi single seat fighter No.1 aircraft.
 

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blackkite said:
Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire. :D
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

en.wikipedia.org

Mitsubishi A5M - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Source : Internet site.
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An early FAA fighter
My version (cockipt of A5M2 and RR Merlin engine)
100597-d215e9b8b2a00933e48c5e11c7cc710f.jpg
 
Hi! Japanese Spitfire. Radiator position was progressive.
Source : ENCYCLOPEDIA OF JAPANESE AIRCRAFT VOL.1 MITSUBISHI CONTENTS
 

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alejandrogrossi said:
blackkite said:
Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire. :D
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

en.wikipedia.org

Mitsubishi A5M - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Source : Internet site.
Click to expand...
An early FAA fighter
My version (cockipt of A5M2 and RR Merlin engine)
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@alejandrogrossi This seem to be fictional?

If so, it shouldn't be posted in this section - possibly better in https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/user-artwork.14 or https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/theoretical-and-speculative-projects.44/
 
overscan (PaulMM) said:
alejandrogrossi said:
blackkite said:
Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire. :D
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

en.wikipedia.org

Mitsubishi A5M - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Source : Internet site.
Click to expand...
An early FAA fighter
My version (cockipt of A5M2 and RR Merlin engine)
View attachment 631525
Click to expand...
@alejandrogrossi This seem to be fictional?

If so, it shouldn't be posted in this section - possibly better in https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/user-artwork.14 or https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/theoretical-and-speculative-projects.44/
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Yes.
My mistake
 
If only we had a Merlin engine!!;)
In any case, these fighters (Spitfire and A5M) are the work of British and Japanese genius engineers.
 
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Seems like several in-line engines of various configurations were being worked on by Japan pre-war :

Mitsubishi B4 V-12 Ha-21 140mmx140mm; 24.1L 1470ci; 900hp@3050rpm@TO 900hp@2900rpm@4000m; 485 kg; Ha-121 - 1070hp@2900rpm@4000m; fluid coupled two speed super-charger; Ha 221 – 1070hp with a 20mm moteur-cannon.

Nakajima NLF(B9) IV-12 1938-40 140mmx150mm; 27.7L 1689.7ci; 950@2700rpm@1780m 940hp@2700rpm@3650m; 6.5/1; 495kg

To say nothing of the DB-601/Kawasaki Ha-40. None of the domestic Japanese engines seem to have been developed enough to mount in an aircraft. Nakajima NLF seems especially analogous to the Merlin, albeit an inverted V engine.
 
Hardrada55 said:
Seems like several in-line engines of various configurations were being worked on by Japan pre-war :

Mitsubishi B4 V-12 Ha-21 140mmx140mm; 24.1L 1470ci; 900hp@3050rpm@TO 900hp@2900rpm@4000m; 485 kg; Ha-121 - 1070hp@2900rpm@4000m; fluid coupled two speed super-charger; Ha 221 – 1070hp with a 20mm moteur-cannon.

Nakajima NLF(B9) IV-12 1938-40 140mmx150mm; 27.7L 1689.7ci; 950@2700rpm@1780m 940hp@2700rpm@3650m; 6.5/1; 495kg

To say nothing of the DB-601/Kawasaki Ha-40. None of the domestic Japanese engines seem to have been developed enough to mount in an aircraft. Nakajima NLF seems especially analogous to the Merlin, albeit an inverted V engine.
Click to expand...

Are there any more informations about these extremely interesting projects? I've never heard of any fully indigenous Japanese liquid cooled V12, maybe a design tailored on Japanese requirements would have performed better than the Ha-40/Atsuta
 
I wonder why it was not proceeded with. Could it have been the same reason the D4Y had its engine changed from inline to radial, mainly because of crew experience?
 
Excellent drawings! Thanks for sharing.:)
 

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