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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #60 on: April 11, 2017, 07:53:44 pm »
Was the Assad regime similarly testing the waters when it dropped barrel bombs filled with chlorine gas on Aleppo in 2016? Human Rights Watch documented government helicopters dropping chlorine in residential areas on at least eight occasions between November 17 and December 13, 2016. The dropping of chlorine bombs on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin in March 2015? Where were the airstrikes and international condemnation then? Seems to me that President Bashar al-Assad expected the international community to continue to do nothing concerning the use of chemical weapons by Syrian forces. Why should he have expected 59 TLAMs for the use of sarin gas on the rebel-held city of Khan Sheikhoun in Idlib province? Why would any reasonable person believe that this incident was a false flag knowing the history of atrocities perpetrated by the Assad regime?


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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #61 on: April 11, 2017, 09:23:14 pm »
That is assuming competence though.

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2017, 12:11:12 am »
Why would any reasonable person believe...

That might be the issue, though. Assuming reasonable people are the ones who believe such things.

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2017, 03:20:02 am »
the last week started with Trump declaring Esad was a  brother, but the federal status of Kurds would be accepted when Rakka fell . Syrians said can not do . There was the crime , there were the missiles  . A Turkish scholar in Damascus said on the Voice of Russia said Syrians were ready accept whatever financial gains the US wanted but the federal thing can not do . Now , chemicals are barrel bombs are both "banned" . Give land to Kurds and Esad would be the greatest leader on earth , succesfully fighting Jihadist ranks .

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #64 on: April 12, 2017, 05:37:41 am »
hmm ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine#Use_as_a_weapon

'Chlorine gas was also used during the Iraq War in Anbar Province in 2007, with insurgents packing truck bombs with mortar shells and chlorine tanks. The attacks killed two people from the explosives and sickened more than 350. Most of the deaths were caused by the force of the explosions rather than the effects of chlorine since the toxic gas is readily dispersed and diluted in the atmosphere by the blast. In some bombings, over a hundred civilians were hospitalized due to breathing difficulties. The Iraqi authorities tightened security for elemental chlorine, which is essential for providing safe drinking water to the population.[83][84]'
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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2017, 12:34:09 pm »
US drops MOAB on Afghanistan tunnel complex. While it is A-Stan did not feel it needed new topic

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/13/us-drops-largest-non-nuclear-bomb-in-afghanistan-after-green-beret-killed.html
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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2017, 07:22:35 pm »
If it does turn out that the Russians and Syrians were actually telling the truth about that chemical attack, all hell will break lose.

Seems like a dumb thing to lie about.  It's not as though it can't be verified.

It is especially easy to verify when RT accidentally posts photos of binary nerve gas canisters at the airfield.

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2017, 08:58:14 pm »
The BKF canisters at Shayrat, as marked, hold the AO-2.5RT HE Frag submunitions. Dropped out of RBK-500s or KMGUs.

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2017, 06:48:43 pm »
Yes those containers are for cluster munitions. They seem to be somewhat general containers, that could also hold chemical munitions. But not in this case given their markings.

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2017, 11:52:13 am »
A Syrian / Assad jet has just been shot down, reportedly by a yet-unknown US / coalition fighter; statement from the Syrian MoD:
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Statement confirms that the pilot was killed.
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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2017, 06:24:10 pm »
an F/A-18E shot down a Syria Su-22

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2017, 12:46:38 am »
US fighters have also shot down a few armed Syrian government drones.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/06/warplane-shoots-armed-drone-syria-170608232312188.html

The Kurdish issue is going to be either the hope or the never end of conflict here assuming there's no flash point between major players.

They've been stable, friendly and the Pesh have been basically reliable and stable. Problem is that Kurdistan isn't just a Iraqi and Syrian issue, the Turks have a big big problem with it, though hopefully that could just mean smaller borders. With the Turks courting outside the EU/NATO/USA it could happen, but they will work real hard to bring them back into the tent.

A stable Kurdish state backed by the West end begrudgingly allowed by Syria and Russia could be an island of peace in the region and allow the West to bypass some of the more politically fluid situations in the big players like Turkey. They'd certainly be happy to host bases for their own protection while the trend is definately going to be pulling (being pushed more like) out of many long standing places. Let's just hope the PKK don't screw it up for the Pesh.

It's going to come down to the Turkish peoples polarisation between Ataturk and Erdogan...

Based on the last 30 years alone I think the Kurds deserve it.

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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2017, 02:23:00 am »
Here's a Military Times summary for a western source, first official fighter kill since Bosnia. Doesn't bode well.
http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/navy-f-a-18e-super-hornet-splashes-syrian-jet-after-it-attacks-us-allies?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=EBB%2006.20.2017&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief


Edit: on a side note, the reference to advancing a US Zionist agenda and US support for terrorism in the Syrian government statement is worrying terminology. The shoot down could be the start of what everyone was hoping wouldn't happen. Going to be lots of sleepless people in the state department tonight. At the very least this is the thin edge of a scary wedge, let's hope behind the scenes the Russians are doing a better job coordinating or the next shoot down could be the big one.
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Re: US/Russian Military Interventions in Syria
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2017, 05:32:48 am »
or the next shoot down could be the big one.

Doubt it.  Many thought it was the end of the world when Turkey shot down that Russian Su-24 and now they're being offered S-400s for sale. 
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