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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2007, 08:33:43 pm »
How much would the technology help the commercial/private aircraft business if it was declassified today? I can understand keeping SOME things secret but why haven't these kind of air/spacecraft materialized into the public domain for commercial use? Maybe I just have a hard time understanding government bureacracy and secrecy. Or maybe I just don't plain trust them. >:( :(

Because this kind of stuff is probably more useful militarily than commercially.  They can't even make Mach 1.5 commercially viable let alone Mach 25.
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2007, 04:57:58 pm »
This is Lockheed NASP semi-final configuration with podded scramjet engines. Various engine modules number and position were studied, but the core idea was moving scramjet modules off the fuselage.
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2008, 04:41:41 am »
'Unified' X-30 a202 configuration publicity desktop model
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2008, 06:18:52 am »
Actually, with the high level of probability, *this* is final X-30 confuguration.
At least Pratt&Whitney paper authors state so.
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2008, 10:34:03 am »
Another NASP promo from Rockwell International
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2008, 03:32:00 pm »
Was the NASP (1983-1995)  supposed to have the same payload as the Space-Shuttle? 

Or was that never published?

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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2008, 07:18:03 am »
Was the NASP (1983-1995)  supposed to have the same payload as the Space-Shuttle? 

Or was that never published?

Aerospaceplane (1957-1963) from 30,000 to 38,000 pounds
duPont NASP - 2,500 pounds
('During 1984, amid the Copper Canyon activities, Tony duPont devised a conceptual
configuration that evolved into the programís baseline. It had a gross weight of 52,650 pounds, which included a 2,500-pound payload that it was to carry to polar orbit. Its weight of fuel was 28,450 pounds. The propellant mass fraction, the ratio of these quantities, then was 0.54. The fuel had low density and was bulky, demanding high weight for the tankage and airframe. To save weight, duPontís concept had no landing gear. It lacked reserves of fuel; it was to reach orbit by burning its last drops. Once there it could not execute a controlled deorbit, for it lacked maneuvering rockets as well as fuel and oxidizer for them. DuPont also made no provision for a reserve of weight to accommodate normal increases during development.' - Heppenheimer)
NASP X-30 - 0,000
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2008, 06:43:02 pm »
What's the payload capacity of the Space Shuttle?

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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008, 12:18:03 am »
What's the payload capacity of the Space Shuttle?

Kendra,

the payload capability of the Space Shuttle is in the Public Domain. It is easily accessible.

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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2008, 12:02:13 pm »
The search engine is your friend. So say we all.  :P
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2008, 12:14:27 pm »
flateric,

Just out of curiousity, if the X-30 was built and flown, and then paved the way for a space-shuttle replacement, it would have had the same capacity as the old Orbiter, correct?


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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2008, 12:44:38 pm »
All depends of a *size* of this follow-on. All depends on how much payload nation wants to transport to orbit currently. Energiya could launch 100 tonns to LEO, but *what* to launch? Do you have payloads for the horse? Or donkey will be enough?
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2008, 04:33:42 am »
From 1993 Lockheed paper come these drawings, while text mentions it as 'configuration very close to X-30' (usual trick)
Dimensions given are lenght 150 ft, with 60 ft wingspan
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2008, 12:37:20 pm »
P&W NASP promo lithograph. Of course, P&W logo on scramjet module should be *such* a size, approximately 2 meters in a diameter...
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Re: National AeroSpace Plane (X-30)
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2008, 10:11:04 am »
Another promo from McDonnell Douglas
Soon we will have the largest NASP images collection on te web (or have it already)
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