FFX (Carter era)

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This was intended to replace the Perry class on the building slips from 1984 onwards (the last of the latter were planned [pre-Reagan] to be completed by 1982). It was intended as an extremely austere 'ASW only' frigate, originally to be based on the short-hull Perry design but with the half the cost of an FFG-7. In service it would have been operated by the Naval Reserve Force, primarily in 'support of mercantile convoys'. However, someone in the Pentagon got the idea that the Navy could save even more money by basing the design instead on the FTH (Frigate, Training, Helicopter) concept that was being looked at in the second half of the 1970s. In this form, it would have been little more than a towed array tug & helicopter platform. On other forums, it has been compared to the pre-Falklands Type 23 design, but with even less armament and equipment. The Navy seems to have settled on a final design by 1980, but detailed design work was paused in 1981 by the new administration and not resumed, being replaced a year or so later by a new program intended to provide a much more capable FFX for the regular navy as well as the reserve. Unfortunately I haven't been able yet to find any illustrations or drawings of either the originally Perry derived design nor the FTH derived one.

Despite much hard work, this Reagan era FFX in turn was displaced (alongside other programs such as the DDGY) in early 1989 in favour of the 'Battle Force Combatant' (BFC), which had the ambitious aim of replacing all frigates, as well as non-Aegis destroyers and cruisers, with a single multipurpose design. The BFC was part of (indeed arguably the cornerstone) of the 'Revolution at Sea' effort.
 
Very interesting and appreciated thanks Grey Havoc
I've always found it sad that the U.S Navy has never replaced the Perry class!
I'm looking forward to more on this subject!!

Regards
Pioneer
 
Found this at GlobalSercurity.org

From http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ffx.htm

FFX Next Generation Frigate

In 1984, during the electric drive full scale update effort, NAVSEA initiated exploratory design studies on a 1052-class frigate replacement. Small Water plane Area Twin Hull (SWATH) designs had long been known for exceptional stability in heavy seas. The FFX study carried monohull and SWATH variants, in this case 25 khp/shaft, and dictated that a common baseline machinery plant be used in both platforms. An electric propulsion system which more or less represented a composite of the best features of the near term systems produced under the full scale update was adopted for this purpose.

The SWATH lower hull space limitations dictated use of a high speed ac motor and gear. Subsequent to a series of technology tradeoff studies, propulsion derived ship service (PDSS) was added to form an integrated electric system. Also, a much more stringent acoustic requirement was placed on this propulsion system than had been encountered in any of the previous surface ship electric drive efforts.

The FFX effort was eventually canceled (the combination of requirements resulted in excessively large ship designs), but not before it substantially influenced the technical requirements and procurement specifications for the advanced development of an Integrated Electric Drive (IED) system. The IED contract, which was awarded to General Electric Co. in November,1988, was directed at the 25 khp/shaft SWATH platform complete with acoustic requirements. A single machine was to serve as both generator and high speed, geared motor for the SWATH and as generator for a monohull application., while an option was included for development of a direct drive 50 khp motor as the need arose.

The generator/motor was a four-pole, dual 3-phase, synchronous machine with direct liquidcooled stator and air-cooled rotor. The generator application drove the machine rating of 22.187 MVA at 3600 rpm. The solid state" multi-mode" frequency converter (MMFC) was only rated for single engine cruise condition. At full power the generator and motor could be operated synchronously. The MMFC was a load commutated dc-link converter with SCR based rectifier and inverter bridges. An alternative soft switched pulse width modulated inverter was also designed and partially built, but not completed due to funding and program re-direction. The integrated electric aspect was provided via a PDSS generator system driven from a power-take-off gear.
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Regards
Pioneer
 
On a side note, via HP&CA, an interesting 1981 SNAME paper on problems with the Perry class & potential alternatives to procurement of further units: http://www.sname.org/HigherLogic/System/DownloadDocumentFile.ashx?DocumentFileKey=c7fdc41e-7ca6-4788-a754-6c7901eba1a8
 
I came across this a year or two ago. I own a copy of "Ships and Aircraft of the U.S. Fleet", the 14th edition (published in 1986) to be exact, and it mentioned something called the "FFX: Advanced Design". It says the following;

"In the mid-1980s the Navy began the design of an advanced frigate (FFX) for construction in the 1990s to replace the Knox and previous frigate classes. That effort, however, was canceled in 1986 by Vice Admiral Joseph Metcalf, the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations (Surface Warfare), because of the large size of those designs.
A smaller frigate (FFX) intended specifically for NRF service was planned by the Carter Administration in the late 1970s, but was not built, nor will the long-gestation surface effect ship frigate (FFGS) be built".

Another paragraph titled "Guided Missile Frigates: Advanced Design" states the following;

"A low-level Navy design effort to build a multi-purpose frigate for construction in the 1990s was canceled in April of 1986 because of dissatisfaction with the efforts to date. Those efforts had produced preliminary designs of some 7,000 tons for a monohull ship and 9,200 tons for a SWATH (Small Waterplane Area Twin-Hull) design.
The SWATH configuration would have been approximately 300 feet in length, in some version, could accommodate the V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft."

I personally think the Carter-era FFX is a different design from the SWATH/Monohull version, but that is just me speculating. GlobalSecurity has this drawing, depicting the monohull and SWATH variants. Although I am not sure what the origin of these drawings is. Note that massive sonar dome for a planar array.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/ffx-line.gif

A friend of mine gave me this excerpt from Friedman's US Destroyer book, pretty much confirming what I had already known, but it goes more in-depth about the actual design:
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Then another picture says it started out as a towed array barge, and steadily grew in size, again, confirming what we already know. The program was then canceled in favor of the Battle Force Combatant, an ambitious proposal to replace pretty much every escort ship in the fleet. So I guess you can't say the USN didn't try replacing the Perry, it seems they tried and failed multiple times.....
 
Drawing from Friedman's U.S. Destroyers: An Illustrated Design History (Revised Edition), courtesy of Winchester.
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A friend found this old publication, and a low-res picture of the FFX can be found on page 68/98 of the PDF. I found higher resolution scan (but lost the link for it of course), that shows this: 1646184585367.png
I reached out to the organization that runs the magazine, got a response saying they'd look into it, but never heard back. I assume it's a dead end.

Finally, my same friend found this: https://books.google.com/books?id=l...XQJjQIHeRyBWAQ6AF6BAgXEAM#v=onepage&q&f=false
You can find this image on page 42:
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I believe the very oddly shaped missile launchers are for the Norwegian-designed Penguin. You can see that it looks kind of similar here: 1646184671191.png
Also there is an older PDF that briefly mentions the FFX, but doesn't say anything more than it's a very low capability frigate for the Reserve Fleet, and is roughly 1,800 tons and 270 feet long. So nothing we currently don't know.
 
The top one looks suited to use from the ground surface. The bottom one appears to redirect gases into the air. Definitely needs a stiff mount or it would flip.

Cool stuff. Thanks for sharing.
 
that_person said:
I personally think the Carter-era FFX is a different design from the SWATH/Monohull version, but that is just me speculating.
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You are correct (as @Grey Havoc stated in his original post). The SWATH and monohull FFXs are Reagan-era ideas for relatively high-mix ships (and I suspect the monohull is basically a stalking horse for the SWATH ship that is an output from one of the Advanced Marine Vehicles studies of the 1970s).

The Carter-era FFX was basically the smallest possible ASW escort that a couple of officers in OPNAV could conceive of as being useful. And it seems to have emerged almost entirely from the CNO's office without much analysis to justify the ship or its capabilities. (A recurring theme....) I think I've linked to this 1980 thesis before in other threads, but it has some good "behind the scenes" info on the FFX requirements development process (such as it was) largely derived from anonymous interviews with OPNAV staff.

PERFORMANCE OPTIMIZATION IN SURFACE WARSHIP DESIGN by JAMES RUSSELL FITZSIMONDS

The main relevant passages follow:

The CNO issued an OR for a follow-on to the FFG-7 -- the FFGX -- in 1977. Preliminary conceptual studies were begun, but with strong competition from more critical projects the program never gained momentum. In late 1979 the CNO proposed a completely new concept of developing a class of small, inexpensive frigates for use by the naval reserve forces. The proposed FFX is nominally envisioned as one half of an FFG-7 -about 1800 tons and 270 feet with an austere armament. The impetus behind the concept is not completely evident, but strong criticism from various factions has already arisen against the FFX idea.

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The Navy has yet to approach its stated goal of 250 escorts to support fleet operations. With the combined tendencies of Congress to limit shipbuilding funds on the one hand, but to demand that the Navy only purchase the best on the other, the escort fleet has been steadily moving away from that 250 ship goal. This situation has recently spawned the interesting concept of the FFX. Officially, the FFX is to be a very low capability convoy escort for training and manning by the naval reserve forces, The World War II vintage destroyers now being used by the reserves are approaching the end of their service lives. Normally, aging active escorts would be relegated to reserve use to be replaced by new escorts for the active fleet. But official statements indicate that the predominantly 1200 psi engineering plants of the current active escorts are unsuitable for reserve operation and that a small gas turbine derivative (such as CODAG) is preferred. A general feeling in OP-03 is that the CNO does not really want an escort for the reserves, but as Congress has traditionally taken the role of guardian of the reserve forces, this is the best chance the CNO has of getting a large number of austere platforms past Congressional approval. Congress will put a little "gold plating" on the ships to bring them up to an active fleet's low-mix capability, and then once built, the Navy can integrate them right into active fleet roles with predominantly active crews.82 This scenario is primarily conjecture from non-decision making personnel, yet such a motive by the CNO could certainly be considered opportunistic.

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The limitations of simulations are obvious, yet the alternative is to rely totally on subjective determination of requirements that may not hold up under rudimentary analytical scrutiny. A good practical example of current ship requirements analysis in OP-96 is represented by the FFX concept. The mission and size of the proposed ship were established in the OR (i.e. protection of economic strategic lines of communication/one half the size of an FFG-7). OP-96 determination of combat system requirements consisted basically of an officer developing a ten minute block diagram of equipments to fit into his subjective conception of what was needed to counter a generally (an not entirely accurately) perceived threat.129 When questioned as to what analysis this notional ship concept would be put through to test the design, the response reflected both a realization of design constraints well separated from the analytical community, as well as a recognition of the limitations of the analytical effort in OP-96 -"Why waste time doing analysis when it's obvious what the ship should look like?"'130
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