Sidewinder HAP (High Altitude Project)

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Neat - so somewhat similar role to the R-27T/ET... an IR missile that can climb and chase...
 
What's really incredible is that Sidewinder was created by a group of guys, but one guy in particular, William McLean, at NWS China Lake. McLean was one of those iconoclasts who didn't just do his government job. He ran what was called at the time "McLean's hobby shop." This was a lab doing all sorts of off-the-books projects that McLean and a few other engineers wanted to do.
One of those was inventing the Sidewinder missile. What's truly amazing is he did it without a formal government contract or funding!

The result was the world's first infra-red homing, guided missile. It was a masterpiece of simplicity. Using just 17 tubes, without complex stability circuits--thanks to the invention of the rolleron, and self-guiding / fire and forget, it was was a world beater of a missile design.


The utter simplicity of the Sidewinder is almost mind boggling.

I can truly understand and appreciate how Sidewinder came about despite official reluctance and even disapproval from my own naval career. It is because of guys like McLean that great things get done.
 
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The Sparrowinder concept might actually be a good idea for a frankensam in Ukraine.

Edit: What about also getting an AMRAAM and replacing its' radar-seeker with the AIM-9X's seeker?
 
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High-Altitude Project (HAP)

AIM-9L found its way into another China Lake development effort of the early 1970s known as HAP. The project was undertaken in response to the Soviet Union’s remarkable MiG-25 Foxbat aircraft. The MiG-25 could fly higher—far higher—than any fighter aircraft in the U.S. inventory. In fact, the MiG-25 still holds the Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI) absolute world altitude record for a ground-launched manned aircraft. The U.S. and its allies were concerned about MiG-25s that were flying reconnaissance missions over Israel in the run-up to the Arab-Israeli War of1973, and the proposal was made for an air-to-air missile that would be capable of reaching the MiG at altitude. Mike Ripley-Lotee, who worked on HAP, recalled:

"Some guys at China Lake had come up with a concept of taking the brand new Sparrow rocket motor that hadn’t even entered service yet for the AIM-7F and matching it with a Sidewinder front end with the new -9L canards, the big canards, and then some guidance algorithms to allow it to take advantage of the new, improved sensitivity of the seeker for Sidewinder. . . . The whole concept was that an F-4 would have one of these things on a rack and zoom up to about 55,000 feet where it was just flaming out and be in front of the MiG-25, which would be going at Mach 3 or 4, nice and hot, a good signature, get tone from the Sidewinder front end, and fire this thing, and it would have the oomph to engage the MiG-25 up at 70 or 80,000 feet."

The HAP missile also contained components from the ACV, the aerodynamic version of Agile, a program soon to be cancelled. A 1973 technical note on HAP by China Lake engineer Jim Irvine noted that eight missiles were built; six were tested with telemetry warheads, and the remaining two “were built up in a tactical configuration with live warheads.” In an interview decades later, Irvine recalled of the two tactical-configuration missiles that “we put them in the magazines and we left them there,” until, in the late 1970s, “If inally had the missiles torn down.”

Source: Holding the Course - History of the Navy at China Lake, California, Volume 5 - Challenge and Change at the Naval Weapons Center, 1968-1979

 
Didn't they also do something similar to the Sparrowinder where instead the AIM-9's seeker was mounted in the nose of an AGM-78 Standard ARM?
 
Didn't they also do something similar to the Sparrowinder where instead the AIM-9's seeker was mounted in the nose of an AGM-78 Standard ARM?
Was that possibly the AIM-97 Seekbat you are thinking of NMaude?

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And we have seen an SM6 hanging on the wing of an F18 for (reasons).

This:


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Carried by an F/A-18F.

I don't image it would be too hard for Raytheon to develop an air-launched SM-6 that has the AIM-9X's seeker integrated into the nose of an SM-6.
 

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