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Offline JFC Fuller

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2017, 03:24:56 am »
Sometime in the early 1970s it seems to have been decided that the "low-level" threat mandated the reintroduction/sustainment of the Bloodhound force in the UK with deployments that look like they were intended to defend USAF and RAF force concentrations in East Anglia and to a lesser extent in Lincolnshire. By the late 1980s this threat perception was such that there was an active replacement effort (MSAM); which based on the proposed solutions looks a lot like GAST.1210 from twenty years earlier (1967-68).

There was an ulterior motive though; NATO would fund hardened aircraft shelter construction under it's Physical Protection Programme if certain requirements were met. The Bloodhounds brought back from Germany helped to meet those requirements.

Wolverine is a curious beast, I have only ever seen it mentioned in old magazines from the late 1980s. I originally assumed it had something to do with MSAM but I am starting to wonder if it was as much private venture as anything else as it was apparently submitted to a US Army Strategic Defense Command Invite-Test-Show programme. Either way Wolverine seems to come about twenty years after Landpax.

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #76 on: February 07, 2017, 10:56:33 am »
Are there any drawings of the missiles and launchers of the land based derivatives of these systems? 

An artists impression of "Land Dart" (land based Sea Dart) was shown in the "Illustrierte Enzyklolädie der Raketen
& Lenkwaffen" (illustrated encyclopedia of rockets and missiles) by Bill Gunston. It's mentioned, that the components
of the sea based variant could be used more or less without modifications, with the twin launcher positioned on a
bunker housing the magazine.
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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2017, 02:02:39 pm »
@JFC Fuller . . .
Drifting briefly off-topic, in reply #68 you mention 'ET316/DN181 (to be Rapier)'. Now, as we all know, ET316 is Rapier itself, and googling DN181 returns 'Marconi Rapier Blindfire Radar'.
Is DN181 an official 'AB.123' type code, or just Marconi's own designation ?

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #78 on: February 08, 2017, 05:00:06 am »
Hmmm....

If only we knew more about the three ruled out SAM options from the tripartite group........we know the last two of the five System A and B.
Surely either System C or one of the three may be influencing this MSAM OR GAST1210?

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #79 on: February 08, 2017, 05:36:20 am »
Robunos,

DN.181 is the official designation for the Blindfire radar.

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2017, 09:35:46 am »
Thanks for that, I'll add it to the list I'm compiling . . .

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18814.msg181693.html#msg181693



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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2017, 07:22:21 am »
You can download an 18MB(!) .zip file from this link that contains 9 scanned .pdf brochures and articles from the early 1980s on the Sea Wolf and Sea Dart SAMs:


Does anyone have this file? The original links are dead.

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2017, 09:02:46 am »
Thanks to Starviking, I've got the files now. I've attached most of them, the two remaining ones are too large to be attached, I'll see if I can reduce their file size.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2017, 03:25:20 am by Hobbes »

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2017, 03:27:51 am »
more attachments.
LWSD = Lightweight Sea Dart
« Last Edit: June 20, 2017, 01:42:47 am by Hobbes »

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2017, 04:07:41 am »
Thanks for uploading those Hobbes!

For the bigger files, I seem to recall the forum has a section for them. Can any mods help?

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2017, 01:05:18 am »
here are the last two. I ran them through an OCR engine and reduced the file size to make uploading easier, can't fix the quality of the scans though.

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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2017, 01:28:58 am »
For the bigger files, I seem to recall the forum has a section for them. Can any mods help?

Maybe I've missed something, but I don't know of such a method here.
For really big files I would recommend putting them on a filehoster and post
the link here.
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Re: Sea Wolf and Sea Dart: Unbuilt Derivatives and Cancelled Applications
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2017, 01:52:02 am »
I can upload files of any size to the server if they are sent to me.
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