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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2017, 11:22:28 pm »
OATK's 30mm airburst rounds in action.



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"The real man smiles in trouble, gathers strength from distress, and grows brave by reflection." - Thomas Paine

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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2017, 01:50:46 pm »
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The LW30mm M230 BUSHMASTER Cannon System continues to evolve. The M230, installed on AH-64 APACHE and BLACKHAWK, and other air, land and seaborne weapons platforms is expected to have next generation LW30 (30mm x 113mm) programmable proximity ammunition qualified by 2018 . LW30 programmable proximity cartridge is expected to solve another significant problem on the 2017-era battlefield: The legacy M789 is not optimized for engagement of troops in the open/defilade or against UAVs. The LW30 proximity mode is expected to improve lethality and versatility against UAS and troops in the open. The munitionís point destination mode is designed to defeat the light vehicle threat.

My emphasis.

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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2017, 03:51:16 pm »
Some slides on LW30 development from Col. Gutierrez presentation at the 2017 NDIA Munitions Executive Summit
 * My highlights *

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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2017, 05:56:48 am »
Is there any reason they're considering the externally powered M230 over ASP-30? Simplicity of production since ASP-30 is still just prototypes, or did the early '90s testing of ASP-30 show that a self-powered M230 had some problems for a light vehicle mount?

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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #68 on: May 09, 2017, 05:24:49 pm »
Is there any reason they're considering the externally powered M230 over ASP-30? Simplicity of production since ASP-30 is still just prototypes, or did the early '90s testing of ASP-30 show that a self-powered M230 had some problems for a light vehicle mount?

Firing the electrically primed 30x113 ammunition from a gas operated cannon requires capacitors/batteries in the gun itself or an external power supply.
The former arrangement has operational implications since the operator may have to literally recharge the cannon.

External power is more reliable which if you have on hand, as you do with the RWS mounts envisioned for JLTV, you might as well go for an externally powered gun as well.

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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2017, 05:53:28 pm »
FBO Solicitation Number: W15QKN-17-X-09EF

DESCRIPTION: The U.S. Army, Army Contracting Command-New Jersey at
Picatinny Arsenal, NJ 07806-5000 is conducting a market survey on behalf
of the Project Manager Soldier Weapons (PM SW) to identify potential sources
and their capability of manufacturing and delivering a 30mm weapon system
capable of firing 30mm X 113mm ammunition for a quantity of 633 total units for
the years FY2018-FY2023
. The 30mm weapon system is to include a gun control unit (GCU),
gun drive cable, control cable, power cable, flex chute and basic issue items.
No Technical Data Package (TDP) is available for this requirement.

SPECIFICATION: The 30mm weapon system will be mounted via a remote weapon station (RWS)
on the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle - Reconnaissance Vehicle (JLTV-RV)
. The manufactured 30mm
weapon system must be link fed, single feed, and capable of firing 200 rounds per minute of linked,
electrically primed and Army qualified 30mm x 113mm ammunition (M789 High-Explosive, Dual-Purpose (HEDP),
M788 Target Practice (TP)). The 30mm weapon system will be powered with 28 VDC, incorporate a 1 hp motor
and include anti-hang fire protection. The 30mm weapon system must weigh less than 200 pounds and have a
recoil of less than 2,000 pounds. Potential offerors will be required to maintain a higher level quality system,
such as ISO 9001 or an equivalent.

* my emphasis *

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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2017, 04:25:08 pm »
FBO Solicitation Number: W15QKN-17-X-09EF

DESCRIPTION: The U.S. Army, Army Contracting Command-New Jersey at
Picatinny Arsenal, NJ 07806-5000 is conducting a market survey on behalf
of the Project Manager Soldier Weapons (PM SW) to identify potential sources
and their capability of manufacturing and delivering a 30mm weapon system
capable of firing 30mm X 113mm ammunition for a quantity of 633 total units for
the years FY2018-FY2023
. The 30mm weapon system is to include a gun control unit (GCU),
gun drive cable, control cable, power cable, flex chute and basic issue items.
No Technical Data Package (TDP) is available for this requirement.

SPECIFICATION: The 30mm weapon system will be mounted via a remote weapon station (RWS)
on the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle - Reconnaissance Vehicle (JLTV-RV)
. The manufactured 30mm
weapon system must be link fed, single feed, and capable of firing 200 rounds per minute of linked,
electrically primed and Army qualified 30mm x 113mm ammunition (M789 High-Explosive, Dual-Purpose (HEDP),
M788 Target Practice (TP)). The 30mm weapon system will be powered with 28 VDC, incorporate a 1 hp motor
and include anti-hang fire protection. The 30mm weapon system must weigh less than 200 pounds and have a
recoil of less than 2,000 pounds. Potential offerors will be required to maintain a higher level quality system,
such as ISO 9001 or an equivalent.

* my emphasis *

Higher performance guided 30mm rds is about the least that could be done for ground forces involved in high intensity conflict survival if the autocannon target practice drone otherwise known as Reaper is being offered as a CAS solution.

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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2017, 07:23:46 pm »
More info on LW30 development (from the 2017 Medium Caliber RDT&E Industry Day).



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Re: US Army Proposes Smaller Squads, Lighter Vehicles (or goodbye GCV?)
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2017, 10:47:53 am »
Thank you again for the above posts Marauder2048.