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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2013, 05:43:00 am »
Topic split from the old Myasishchev thread.

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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2017, 01:43:21 am »
Hi! Open cycle nuclear rocket engine which contaminate space!? :o

M-19-1 picture by ucon-san.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18507.0;attach=55733;image
M-19-1 three side view drawing by ucon-san.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18507.0;attach=55735;image

https://falsesteps.wordpress.com/2016/09/24/m-19-gurkolyot-grab-the-problem-by-the-throat-not-the-tail/

"Weighing in at 500 tonnes with fuel, the M-19 was a very flat, 69-meter long triangular wedge with two small sets of wings, one at the tail and one as canards near the nose. Launching horizontally from a runway, the M-19’s trip to orbit would begin with twin(set of?) turbofan jet engines(Please watch No.3 picture) burning liquid hydrogen. After getting up to Mach 4, the plane would switch over to scramjet engines(Please watch bottom of bottom picture), also burning hydrogen. In both cases, though, the engines had Gurko’s idea behind them for a little extra kick.

The M-19 would have had a nuclear rocket engine that would take over in turn once the scramjet pushed the plane to Mach 16 and out of the appreciable atmosphere around 50 kilometers high. As the reactor was just sitting there during the turbojets’ and scramjets’ operation, Gurko reasoned, why not use it to superheat their exhaust to increase thrust? The potential increase in efficiency was considerable, and as the nuclear rocket (already more efficient than chemical rockets) would only be used for the final leg, the low inherent fuel use of the air-fed turbo- and scramjets gave the M-19 a tremendous payload fraction: the 500-tonne fully fueled plane was projected to lift 40 tonnes to LEO in its 15m × 4m cargo bay, which compares favorably to even staged rockets. Consider the Space Shuttle at 2040 tonnes and 28 tonnes of payload, or the Saturn V at 3038 tonnes and 118 tonnes of payload. To move whatever was stored in it, the bay was to be equipped with a manipulator unit, and an airlock from the crew compartment allowed EVA. Behind the bay was a large LH2 tank and, it should be made clear, no oxidizer tank. The rocket would run on raw hydrogen, while the two different types of jet would use the air as their source of oxygen.

After completing its mission in orbit, the M-19 would then fly back home, using the same propulsion systems in reverse order to come into a powered landing at an airstrip somewhere in the USSR, with an astonishing cross-range capability of 4500 kilometers. This completely plane-like return was of considerable interest to Soviet space planners for other reasons too, as it meant that the M-19 would reduce search and retrieval costs to nil as compared to capsules unless there was an emergency. Under those circumstances the cabin was to be entirely ejectable, serving as a survival capsule for the three to seven cosmonauts that might be on-board."

Other images source.
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/myasishchev/m/19/img/

Nuclear rocket engine does not need Oxidant.(M-19 weight and space saving engine.)
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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2017, 02:13:41 am »
Combined with the Buran, it would likely have given the Soviet Union a major leg up in orbital operations over the United States during the 1990s.
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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2017, 03:03:30 am »
Combined with the Buran, it would likely have given the Soviet Union a major leg up in orbital operations over the United States during the 1990s.
HmHm........

And this model shows M-19-2 pure hyper sonic bomber.
http://www.ussr-airspace.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24_53&products_id=2847
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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2017, 03:15:26 am »
Blackie, you continue to repost old pics from this same thread - wrong attributed though, while authors clearly shown on pictures
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18507.msg40720.html#msg40720
plus bunch of copyrighted stuff from Ucon published books - while he's a constant member of SPF. Think if you would like that being an author and publisher yourself.
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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2017, 03:19:42 am »
Ummm....but I think this is only a internet information which every one can acsess easily. :-[
Any way I need hard cory. Don't worry. ;)
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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2017, 11:39:20 pm »
Combined with the Buran, it would likely have given the Soviet Union a major leg up in orbital operations over the United States during the 1990s.

Nope. The M(G)19 was a technical boondoggle. As if turbojets + ramjets + scramjets + rocket wasn't enough, then add a nuclear pile to the whole thing. There are rumour the Gurkolyot (like spiral) was pushed by Aviation minister Dementyev as an asset in the turf war that opposed aviation to rocket (MOM, Afanasyev). Dementyev didn't wanted an hemorroage of aviation engineers toward rockets (and Buran somewhat did that)

More generally, a space shuttle is half an aircraft and half a rocket, but in USSR the respective ministries hated each others since 1960, the years Krutchev had thrown heavy bombers under a bus in favor of ICBMs (Myas... thing, Tsybin closed, M-50 , M-52, RSR scrapped)

There was a high level meeting about a soviet space shuttle in April 1972, three months after Nixon started the space shuttle. One believed a soviet space shuttle would have been started. Wrong, nothing moved until 1976 and even then the soviets hated the shuttle, and buran.
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Re: Myasishchev M-19 projects
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2017, 01:56:22 pm »
"then add a nuclear pile to the whole thing."
HmHmHm..........SSTO is hard.
Thank you very much. :D
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