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Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« on: November 19, 2012, 05:58:15 am »
Also here is some unidentified Sukhoi Fighters of 1940;

http://alternathistory.org.ua/istrebiteli-posukhogo-perioda-vtoroi-mirovoi-voiny
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2012, 05:59:13 am »
And;

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 08:13:19 am »
the direct url to this post:


http://alternathistory.org.ua/istrebiteli-posukhogo-perioda-vtoroi-mirovoi-voiny


I found fascinating the last one because my preference for asymmetrical configurations  ;)  here a couple of bigger pictures from:


http://crimso.msk.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft31008.htm
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2012, 12:24:46 pm »
My 5 kopecks to this topic
SINGLE-SEAT FIGHTER POWERED BY TWO M-107 ENGINES
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2012, 12:09:08 am »
picture 2: single-seat fighter s2 AM-37

picture 4: IOP 2 AM-37 ,variant1: low wing ; variant 2: middle wing design

picture 6: general view of the aircraft I2M-92

picture 7: may be my imagination, but I think i see the TK3 designation in the end

picture 8: general view of the .......TK3

picture 9: general view of the single seat fighter with two M-107 motors

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 03:08:11 am »
picture 2: single-seat fighter s2 AM-37

picture 4: IOP 2 AM-37 ,variant1: low wing ; variant 2: middle wing design

picture 6: general view of the aircraft I2M-92

picture 7: may be my imagination, but I think i see the TK3 designation in the end

picture 8: general view of the .......TK3

picture 9: general view of the single seat fighter with two M-107 motors

Good job ! Soviet unknown projects are very intersting, particulary these of Mr Sukhoi !
Regards
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L'aviation c'est bon pour les sportifs ! Pour l'Armée c'est zéro ! (Général Joffre - Concours de Reims - 1911).

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2012, 04:59:55 am »
picture 2: single-seat fighter s2 AM-37

picture 4: IOP 2 AM-37 ,variant1: low wing ; variant 2: middle wing design

picture 6: general view of the aircraft I2M-92

picture 7: may be my imagination, but I think i see the TK3 designation in the end

picture 8: general view of the .......TK3

picture 9: general view of the single seat fighter with two M-107 motors


Excellent,thank you Bigvlada very much.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2012, 07:36:02 am »
My 5 kopecks to this topic
SINGLE-SEAT FIGHTER POWERED BY TWO M-107 ENGINES

Any estimated performance figures? What was the armament (almost looks like two ShKAS...)

Thanks!

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2012, 12:07:10 pm »

The calculated data are not known.
To arm has different information,
V. Proklov's (director of the museum Sukhoi Design Bureau) in the "Planes of the world" № 2, 2001 wrote: "Armament consisted of three 23-mm cannons. A  was placed (in the sleeve)in the bush of propeller, the other two - in the wing."  Probably 'VYa'
According to Gordon /OKB Sukhoi A history of the design bureauand its aircraft/ the following information: "Gun armament of the fighter consisted of two wing - mounted 12.7 mm (.50 cal) UBS machine guns and single 20 mm cannon."

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2012, 11:43:34 am »
Thanks! That's a really neat design!

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2014, 07:29:25 am »
Also from Kryl'ya Rodine 5/1996,


a more drawings to a Sukhoi Fighter Projects and the schedule to the plans from 1940
up to 1943.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2014, 09:21:22 am »
1) - ODBSh or aircraft"91"(intrafactory code)/6.1941/ - twin engined (M-71F) armored attack aircraft, no fighter
2) - DDBSh or aircraft "B" or Su-8 /10.1941/- twin engined armored attacker, no fighter
3) - I-2xM-71F with 4 TK-3 superchargers fighter/multipurpose aircraft /12.1942/(see also post 1, picture 7 and 8) no Su-6 !!!
In the text magazine literally says: ...with a modified cabin by type Su-6.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 12:52:48 pm »
Wonderful!!
The ancient times of the airplane of a Sukhoi are also still very beautiful.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2014, 01:41:24 pm »
Many thanks to you my dear Borovik.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2014, 03:09:55 pm »
Hi
   Thanks is there a designation associated with No 5, the westland whirlwind lookalike.
  Or a date associatec with the proposal ?
     Cheers
        Jerry

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2014, 03:25:49 am »
Hi Brewerjerry,


the No.5 was called IOP with 2 AM-38 engines,all its data is here;
http://alternathistory.org.ua/istrebiteli-posukhogo-perioda-vtoroi-mirovoi-voiny

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2014, 07:29:25 am »
Hi!

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2014, 12:29:21 pm »
Thank you for wonderful pictures.
These are sharp pictures which looks just like the photograph of an actual airplane. :o

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2014, 11:19:48 am »
Splendid illustrations by Marek Rys! Thanks a lot for sharing.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2014, 06:58:29 pm »
Hi Brewerjerry,


the No.5 was called IOP with 2 AM-38 engines,all its data is here;
http://alternathistory.org.ua/istrebiteli-posukhogo-perioda-vtoroi-mirovoi-voiny

hi
   Many thanks
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2014, 11:34:28 pm »

Damn!  That Su I 2M-107 is a fine looking bird!  That'd make a great kit!  And excellent work on the illustrations!

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2014, 12:23:27 am »
About splendid graphics / CGI by Marek Rys - as well as those Sukhoi's high altitude fighter with M-90 engine and two TK-1 superchargers ...
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17243.0/all.html

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2015, 04:14:57 am »
Also from Kryl'ya Rodine 5/1996,

a more drawings to a Sukhoi Fighter Projects and the schedule to the plans from 1940
up to 1943.


The Aircraft "B" from Krylya Rodine 5/2006 in details.



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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2015, 04:32:13 am »
Also from Krylya Rodine 6/2006,


here is a new variant (for me) to Sukhoi DDBSh aircraft powered with 2 M71 engines,and
it appeared in two versions.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2015, 10:02:50 am »
The drawing for this one, SINGLE-SEAT FIGHTER POWERED BY TWO M-107 ENGINES, looks to be dated 1944. Is it a continuation of a 1940 design? IMHO, it looks more like a late WWII design than an early WWII design.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2015, 08:18:26 am »
That's right, this project is dated February 1944

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2016, 06:20:56 am »
From Авиация и Космонавтика 8/2010.

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2017, 03:11:12 am »
Hi!

"In late November 1942 the design year were single twin-engine fighter very original schema. Two air-cooled engine m-92 (design takeoff power 2200 HP) were located in the fuselage and through the ad hoc transfer of result in rotating screws located on the wing. By the end of 1942, all work on the project ceased."

http://www.k2x2.info/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2010_08/p6.php

You can see engine cooling air intake located at the wing leading edge and engine cooling air outlet located at the fuselage.
Also you can see single seat cockpit, extended propeller drive shaft and twin vertical tail stabilizer.
I can't find front view and side view of this design.
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2017, 05:29:05 am »
http://alternathistory.com/istrebiteli-posukhogo-perioda-vtoroi-mirovoi-voiny

"Turbochargers were located inside the fuselage, on both sides of the engine. Exhaust gases from m-120 donors to TC, and the ones used in feed for vodoradiatorom. Provided for the extraction of gases in the vodoradiatora Canal, bypassing the TC. In addition, the exhaust pipes were shrouds, which blow in through vents in the frontal part of the wing with air purge outlet channel for vodoradiatorom. The flow of exhaust gases and blow air into the channel for water radiator or improve gas-air mixture and help create an additional reactive thrust."(Ejector?)

This radiator arragement looks like Bv p.208.03.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26136.0;attach=558382;image
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2017, 01:58:01 pm »
http://alternathistory.com/istrebiteli-posukhogo-perioda-vtoroi-mirovoi-voiny

This radiator arragement looks like Bv p.208.03.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26136.0;attach=558382;image

Pehaps. But it is also identical to the arrangement on the Sukhoi Su-1, which looks like this aircraft in many respects. The radiator arrangement is also conceptually similar to the arrangement used on the Il-2, although in the latter case air is taken in on top of the fuselage.
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2017, 10:06:15 pm »

Pehaps. But it is also identical to the arrangement on the Sukhoi Su-1, which looks like this aircraft in many respects. The radiator arrangement is also conceptually similar to the arrangement used on the Il-2, although in the latter case air is taken in on top of the fuselage.
Thanks a lot. Very interesting layout. It's the first time for me to see such a design.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/72705-ilyushin-il-2-sturmovik/
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2017, 09:16:11 pm »
Hi!
Su-8.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-8.

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft20797.htm

DDBSh(or Su-8?) means twin-engine two-seat armored ground attack aircraft

SSTEAAA means single seat twin engine armored ground attack aircraft?

Twin engine fighter ⇒SSTEAAA ⇒DDBSh?
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17597.0;attach=572037;image
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2017, 01:16:10 am »
Hi!
http://alternathistory.com/ddbsh-su-8-samyi-luchshii-shturmovik-i-ego-bratya-sssr

"Chief Designer in the development of the fighter returned to nosovomu placing a block of Cannon and machine-gun armament. At the same time am-37 engines were replaced with more powerful am-38 with TK-3 turbochargers to improve characteristics of power plants."

These fighters were predecessors of Su-8?
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2017, 04:39:27 am »
My dear Blackkite,

I sent all of those drawing before,why repeat displaying them in a seperated
topic,reply # 23;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17597.15.html

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2017, 04:49:39 am »
Yes I know my dear hesham-san. I add some explanation of each pictures. :)

Topics merged
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2017, 01:17:35 pm »

These fighters were predecessors of Su-8?
Indirectly, we can say only one (of three) versions of the project "I. O. P." with the engine AM-37. He alone had internal bomb load, the rest was designed as a "clean" fighters.
... and offtopic... back to the three previous reply - you can also recall a couple of projects with a similar arrangement of the radiator

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2017, 03:33:27 pm »
Many thanks borovik-san. Perfect chart as usual. :o
Bottom drawing is very interesting.
Borovik-san, have you ever seen three side view drawing of this unique fighter?
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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2017, 08:10:54 am »
No, have not seen, I can confidently say that if these schemes are preserved, but neither V. Proklov nor anyone else in the press did not publish them. (tried to find its own reconstruction , side view, but he's probably on another computer)

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2017, 04:05:55 pm »

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Re: Sukhoi Fighter & Ground Attack Aircraft Projects
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2017, 04:08:33 pm »
No, have not seen, I can confidently say that if these schemes are preserved, but neither V. Proklov nor anyone else in the press did not publish them. (tried to find its own reconstruction , side view, but he's probably on another computer)
Many thanks borovik-san. Preserved!! :D
I hope we watch these schemes near future. 
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