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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #165 on: January 08, 2017, 09:28:36 am »
In my files,

and for Messerschmitt "M" Projects,there was a three engined version
of M-18d.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #166 on: January 09, 2017, 07:12:54 am »
Also in my files,

and under "M" designation,there was a Project for M-24,but fitted with
three engines ?.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #167 on: January 11, 2017, 07:16:13 am »
Anther Mystery,

and also under the "M" designation,there was a variant from M-20 with
three motors as a Project ?.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #168 on: January 13, 2017, 04:21:45 am »
Also in my files,

and under "M" designation,there was a Project for M-24,but fitted with
three engines ?.

There was also anther Project to M-24 with a three engines,but those motors
identified as Argus AS-10.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #169 on: January 14, 2017, 04:53:28 am »
Also in my files,

Messerschmitt M-20 had a variant powered by four engines as a Project ?.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #170 on: January 15, 2017, 07:41:13 am »
Also in my files,

There was a Project from M-28,but it was not as a mailplane,it was a transport aircraft ?.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #171 on: June 08, 2017, 02:52:29 pm »
To answer some of Heshams questions;

M 34 was for a very long range aircraft powered by two diesels burried in the fuselage, which would drive a single prop on mounted on a boom above the wing (I'm guessing it would look similar to some modern motor gliders). Crusing speed was to have been 350km/h with a range of 20000km(!!!!). Nicknamed "antipode-aircraft" due to this half world spanning range.

M 18d was a proposed 6 passenger version with 3 different engines offered (Siemens S-12, Walter Mars, Wright Whirlwind) This was not a trimotor.

The above data is all from Messerschmitt Aircraft Designer by Armand van Ishoven

I'll post some scans and details of the M32 and M33 in a bit.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #172 on: June 08, 2017, 03:58:21 pm »
To answer some of Heshams questions;

M 18d was a proposed 6 passenger version with 3 different engines offered (Siemens S-12, Walter Mars, Wright Whirlwind) This was not a trimotor.

The above data is all from Messerschmitt Aircraft Designer by Armand van Ishoven


Thank you my dear Sienar,

and the source is different,but I don't remember it now,for M-18d,there was a three motor Project variant,
remained a Project only,I know there was a Project equipped with three different engines,but it was not it.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #173 on: June 08, 2017, 10:54:15 pm »
According to Messerschmitt; Aircraft Designer by Armand van Ishoven, the M 32 was a very unusual "weekend" amphibian NOT designed by Willy Messerschmitt but some other unnamed individual.

It would have had two diesel buried in the fuselage driving a single prop mounted above the center-line, and would have used a rocket for take off boost. I could swear that I've seen this posted elsewhere on the forum, but cant seem to find it with the search feature.

This data also conflicts with what is posted in the messerschmitt designation thread, that states the M 32 was a biplane trainer that later became the He 72. This is somewhat in agreement with Willy Messerschmitt: First Full Biography of an Aeronautical Genius by Frank Vann, which states that the M 32 was for a biplane trainer that progressed no further than a few early drafts made by Messerschmitt himself. Quite confusing no?

The M 33 was for another novel design. Vann states that Willy was inspired by the Volkswagen, and decided to make a peoples plane, using a DKW 15hp engine and sold as a kit for home builders. Like the M 32, this progressed no further than the mockup stage. This mockup was shown off at the 1932 DELA (Deutsche Luftsport-Ausstellung) exhibition in Berlin, along with mockups of the M 32 and M 34. Hopefully this info leads to some pics of that M 34, which very well could be sitting behind the 33 in the attached pics.


Lastly, I am including an excerpt from Vann. This is a section of notes Messerschmitt prepared in response to a request for an article from the magazine Deutsche Technik in July 41. While this isn't directly related to any projects, it does give an idea of his thinking at the time, and many of the ideas mentioned in this would later be tried out in some way or another during the war. It is also interesting to me that he specifically mentions steel for construction of high speed aircraft and this may in part explain Messerschmitts preference for steel later in the war when materials were running short.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #174 on: June 09, 2017, 12:04:52 am »
The Messerschmitt M-32 was an other design, this description is wrong.

The Amphibium is the BFW-Kleinherz Wochenend-Amphibium.
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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #175 on: June 09, 2017, 12:05:40 am »
M.33
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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #176 on: June 09, 2017, 12:59:31 am »
« Last Edit: June 09, 2017, 01:01:39 am by Jemiba »
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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #177 on: June 09, 2017, 08:14:56 am »
Thank you my dear Sienar,

but my dears Maveric and Jemiba are right.