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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #136 on: September 11, 2016, 08:47:13 am »
Also from my files;

the Messerschmitt P.1110 had a version with T-tail.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #137 on: September 22, 2016, 01:13:39 pm »
In my files,

the Messerschmitt Me.163B had a six variants.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #138 on: September 23, 2016, 08:30:34 am »
In my files,

and after the Messerschmitt Me.263 appeared,it followed by anther two unknown rocket fighter design Projects (homeland defenders),all cancelled in early 1945,due to focus on production Me.262 & He.162.
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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2016, 07:56:30 am »
Hi

More infos about the Me-163 "STARTZUG" train.
A complete train :  a locomotive, tankcars, flatcars, aircraft transport cars, workshop cars, storage cars, cars for takeoff, sleeping cars and admistrative cars.
The train should use the tracks of the Reichsbahn.
Each train should carry six Me-163.
The idea was from Hans Antz.

Source
https://books.google.com/
SNIPPET VIEW
Top secret bird: the Luftwaffe's Me-163 COMET by Wolfgang Späte

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #140 on: October 28, 2016, 08:42:55 am »
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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #141 on: October 28, 2016, 11:17:23 am »
The description ("coated with a breathable material", "would have let air into the airframe even without a dedicated
intake trunk"), to my opinon places it in the category "fiction".
And the sources seem to be very vague indeed.  ::)
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #142 on: October 28, 2016, 02:20:02 pm »
The description ("coated with a breathable material", "would have let air into the airframe even without a dedicated
intake trunk"), to my opinon places it in the category "fiction".
And the sources seem to be very vague indeed.  ::)

OK my dear Jemiba,I agree with you it's fake;

but we must know that,the Me.271 was (Blitz Zerstorer) or a ramjet fighter Project,so maybe
this design was close to its shape,but it is not it.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #143 on: October 29, 2016, 08:14:49 am »
Anther Mystery;

the Messerschmitt Me.565 Vulkan was a jet torpedo bomber Project;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_Germany_by_manufacturer

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #144 on: October 30, 2016, 02:18:00 am »
There's a mention in wikipedia without any source and a handful of sites, that mirror
exactly that "information".
So, I would say "Allegedly there was a project for a jet torpedo bomber with the designation Me 565,
but so far not a single evidence is known"
IF there really was such a project, it probably was in an early design stage and then the allocation
of a name ("Vulkan") is highly improbably, to my opinion.
So, again, please be VERY careful with statements like "The XXX was a ... project" . That's exactly the
way "projects" like the Klagenfurt 225 and others were generated and kept alive by repeating such
nonsense again and again.   ::)
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2016, 06:10:28 am »
My dear Jemiba,

in this section of Wikipedia,no fake aircraft was mentioned,and of course they have a
source for that,we can ask them,from where you get this,and as you see some of those
sources we don't have.

There was some of little known Germany aircraft,we still ignore,such as a Junkers
VTOL fighter Project.


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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #146 on: October 30, 2016, 07:01:43 am »
Nothing against wikipedia, very good for writing school homeworks and so on .
And yes, the one (!), who wrote that article, probably found the "Me 565" somewhere.
But it isn't mentioned and all the other mentions on the internet seem to go round
in circles. NO source is mentioned anywhere ! The designation "Me 565" would have been
assigned by the RLM and we have a thread about those designations here, too. But still
yet, I've found no mention of that number. Of course, there are gaps, but it's not useful
anyway to "fill" them with unproven data.
"We can ask them. ..."
Yes please, and I would strongly recommend for the next time to ask them BEFORE stating,
that there was such a project. And if you'll get an answer about the original source, you should
check, if it is plausible and reliable one.
And no, we don't "ignore little known German aircraft", but, as said often enough before, especially
this theme is full of misinterpretations, errors, fakes and probably even  of deliberate misinformation
by sources, which may appear as absolutely reliable and doubtless at first glance (designers/constructors,
who tried to hoke their life career, probably ). And many of us are busy in other fields, so not able to check
such hasty reactions. And then, others searching for the "Me 565" get a hit list including the SPF, hopefully
still regarded as a trustable source ... Reading this posts here already may appear too much for, say, someone
who looks for suitable types for the next Resin kit.
Perhaps you should compare mentions of such unknown types with anonymous letters to the Egyptian tax office,
saying that you sold 500 cars during the last year. Would you really be accepting a tax bill based on such a letter ?  ;)

It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #147 on: October 30, 2016, 08:28:26 am »
OK my dear Jemiba,

until we get reliable sources.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #148 on: December 04, 2016, 04:40:05 am »
Here is a Messerschmitt P.1103 7 P.1104 in details.

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Re: Various Messerschmitt projects
« Reply #149 on: December 04, 2016, 01:01:35 pm »
Here is a Messerschmitt P.1103 7 P.1104 in details.

The source;

Waffen-Arsenal 118 - Bachem Ba 349 Natter