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« on: March 09, 2006, 10:39:16 pm »

Quote from: Roger Franklin
The company (Canadair) even tried its hand in the most demanding field of aeronautical engineering and researched a bid to produce a wholly Canadian supersonic jet fighter.  That effort, together with a rival project mounted by Avro, was abandoned only in 1959, when Ottawa decided that Lockheed's controversial F-104 represented better value for money.

Source:  The Defender:  The Story of General Dynamics, by Roger Franklin.  Harper & Row, 1986.

Is there any truth in this statement?

The Avro Arrow program was replaced by a combination of Bomarc missiles and used F-101 interceptors.

Was Canada in the early stages of a second supersonic fighter program when the cancellation of the Avro Arrow occured in 1959?

Indeed, I have to wonder if the 1959 cancellation of the Avro Arrow a single isolated event or part of a broader defense review of the sort that occured in the UK in 1957 and 1964?
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2006, 10:43:02 pm »

I imagine Canadair might have submitted a rival bid to the Arrow. I doubt there were two programs going at once.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2006, 06:15:53 am »

I don't know about Canadair, but Avro had also studied a single-engined supersonic fighter under the CF-104 designation.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2006, 12:42:35 am »

There is a comprehensive CF-105 origins article from Tony Buttler.

"Arrow Secrets. Items from the History of Canada's most famous fighter". Air Enthusiast Setember/October 2000 No89. Pg 34 to 43.

Project CF-104 started in July 1950 as an all weather fighter. The program CF-105 evolved from a redesigned CF-104/2.


I have found no references to other studies for the CF-100 replacement. (CF-103 was only a developed CF-100 not a replacement).


Other Sources:

Canadian Aircraft since 1909. KM Molson and HA Taylor. ISBN 0-920002-11-0

AVRO Aircraft & Cold War Aviation. Randall Whitcomb. ISBN 1-55125-082-9

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 02:33:51 am »

Yes, the Arrow was replaced by Bomarcs and Voodoos. 
There is almost a cult built around the Arrow, in fact CBC did a docudrama starring Dan Akroyd about 9 or 10 years ago. 

What you must understand is in a sense the Arrow was almost too technically advanced.  Despite the propaganda, there was no real hope for export sales.  The R&D for developing a new engine, airframe, and weapons system was extremely costly, something the US could barely pull off.  The project was absorbing more and more of the defense budget, with end in sight.  Granted, there were a few flights.  However, the flight test program barely started, and I could guarantee you there would be costly delays. 
Compare to a rough contemporary, the B-58.  The US could afford an over-budget hangar queen, Canada could not.

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