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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #255 on: March 29, 2017, 03:25:06 pm »

Gosh, if only there were possibilities beyond chemical and electric . If only...


In the context of this discussion, there isn't any.   Because if there is a new physics discovery or game changing technology, it is likely that the financial resources of gov'ts are not needed.

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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #256 on: March 29, 2017, 03:29:53 pm »
There are some civilizations that reasonable people should be able to agree we don't want owning the stars.

Like citizens of Idaho, Montana and Utah.

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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #257 on: March 29, 2017, 04:39:24 pm »
There are some civilizations that reasonable people should be able to agree we don't want owning the stars.

Like citizens of Idaho, Montana and Utah.

Clearly you've never lived there.  No doubt your perpetually sunny disposition is due to the Utopian surroundings you dwell in. 
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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #258 on: March 29, 2017, 07:43:18 pm »

Gosh, if only there were possibilities beyond chemical and electric . If only...


In the context of this discussion, there isn't any.   Because if there is a new physics discovery or game changing technology, it is likely that the financial resources of gov'ts are not needed.

Does this make sense to you? Really?

Kinda curious if that makes sense to anyone else, because it sure doesn't to me. How can anyone actually believe that colonists on Mars or in the asteroid belt, whose lives and the futures of their children, will somehow restrict themselves solely to chemical or electrical propulsion systems, when they already have full knowledge of nuclear thermal systems, solar sails, magsails, electromagnetic coilguns, plasma thrusters and a whole bunch of other, better systems? Never mind more theoretical systems like nuclear pulse, fusion rockets and such?
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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #259 on: April 04, 2017, 06:34:18 am »
when they already have full knowledge of nuclear thermal systems, solar sails, magsails, electromagnetic coilguns, plasma thrusters and a whole bunch of other, better systems?

Really?  How are any of those better?  None of those are going to radically change the time of travel.  Still going to take months.

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« Reply #260 on: April 04, 2017, 04:36:56 pm »
Time is not the only criterion. Some could drastically lower the cost of cargo transport.
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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #261 on: April 12, 2017, 09:57:13 pm »

Gosh, if only there were possibilities beyond chemical and electric . If only...


In the context of this discussion, there isn't any.   Because if there is a new physics discovery or game changing technology, it is likely that the financial resources of gov'ts are not needed.

Does this make sense to you? Really?

Kinda curious if that makes sense to anyone else, because it sure doesn't to me. How can anyone actually believe that colonists on Mars or in the asteroid belt, whose lives and the futures of their children, will somehow restrict themselves solely to chemical or electrical propulsion systems, when they already have full knowledge of nuclear thermal systems, solar sails, magsails, electromagnetic coilguns, plasma thrusters and a whole bunch of other, better systems? Never mind more theoretical systems like nuclear pulse, fusion rockets and such?
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/04/fusion-enabled-pluto-orbiter-and-lander.html

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/04/imploding-liner-fusion-propulsion-system.html
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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #262 on: April 13, 2017, 08:13:04 am »

Gosh, if only there were possibilities beyond chemical and electric . If only...


In the context of this discussion, there isn't any.   Because if there is a new physics discovery or game changing technology, it is likely that the financial resources of gov'ts are not needed.

Does this make sense to you? Really?

Kinda curious if that makes sense to anyone else, because it sure doesn't to me. How can anyone actually believe that colonists on Mars or in the asteroid belt, whose lives and the futures of their children, will somehow restrict themselves solely to chemical or electrical propulsion systems, when they already have full knowledge of nuclear thermal systems, solar sails, magsails, electromagnetic coilguns, plasma thrusters and a whole bunch of other, better systems? Never mind more theoretical systems like nuclear pulse, fusion rockets and such?
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/04/fusion-enabled-pluto-orbiter-and-lander.html

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/04/imploding-liner-fusion-propulsion-system.html

The list of theoretical systems is much larger and just as useless.  Until they get off the list, they don't help with colonization. 

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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #263 on: April 13, 2017, 08:15:53 am »
Time is not the only criterion. Some could drastically lower the cost of cargo transport.

Time is the issue for personnel transport.   

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Re: NASA Space Launch System (SLS)
« Reply #264 on: April 13, 2017, 06:04:13 pm »
Time is not the only criterion. Some could drastically lower the cost of cargo transport.

Time is the issue for personnel transport.

For personnel, yes, but personnel need material support and a crewed spacecraft can be smaller, less massive, faster and therefore cheaper if the equipment and and supplies are sent ahead separately by slower but much less expensive means. Cost is one thing that cannot be left out of the equation.
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