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Offline Foxglove

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Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« on: December 21, 2010, 03:33:22 pm »
The Chinese Military Aviation site reports of rumours that the latest canard, V-finned, two-engine single-seat multi-role stealth fighter prototypes, labelled '2001' and '2002' have been built at Chengdu, with the former seen taxiing (on the factory runway?). The source is quite reliable, so it looks like stealth fans around the world are in for another January 29 soon.
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 04:27:47 pm »
I will believe it, when i see it.  :)
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 04:40:27 pm »
Quote from: Foxglove on December 21, 2010, 03:33:22 pm
The source is quite reliable
Oh, and what makes him reliable, please explain us?
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 07:33:47 pm »
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The latest rumor (November 2010) claimed that the first two prototypes (2001 & 2002) have been constructed and the intial low-speed taxiing trial by 2001 has started.

Huitong has been right on other matters - well informed. If he is reporting it as a rumour, he isn't sure its real.
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 11:27:54 am »
Quote from: flateric on December 21, 2010, 04:40:27 pm
Quote from: Foxglove on December 21, 2010, 03:33:22 pm
The source is quite reliable
Oh, and what makes him reliable, please explain us?
Well, for starters, it was the first source, at least to my knowledge, to use the J-15 and J-20 designations, while everybody else was still using the J-12,13,14. They report facts, but if they aren't absolutely certain about something they let you know. They have rich photographic resources related to Chinese aircraft( and they don't publish photoshopped crap, like other sites), perhaps the richest on the net and provide a comprehensive insight into Chinese military inventory. Finally, I've never discovered any incongruencies, errors or outright lies, on the contrary, the information I first find there can later be found in magazines, other sites, etc. Oh, and they didn't pay me to write this.
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2010, 12:03:55 pm »
well, I have read specific topic at KPF. Let's wait then
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2010, 12:48:12 pm »
There was a recent Jane's article qouting Russian sources who claimed to have seen photographs of it. It was claimed that it looked Russian with blended wings and intakes etc. Apparently the Chinese are fishing for the 117S engine from Russia- believe what you will.

Personally I think it is piloted by sharks and armed with an internally mounted death ray (technology provided by escaped Nazis who the Chinese found on the moon during their yet to be revealed highly secretive moon mission) with wing hard points wired for photon torpedos and Zeus's lightning rods. Oh, it is also a "carrier killer".
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2010, 01:22:24 pm »
Quote from: sealordlawrence on December 22, 2010, 12:48:12 pm
There was a recent Jane's article qouting Russian sources who claimed to have seen photographs of it. It was claimed that it looked Russian with blended wings and intakes etc. Apparently the Chinese are fishing for the 117S engine from Russia- believe what you will.

regarding quality of information in abovementioned Jane's article:

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Both prototypes are powered by the same Saturn/Lyulka 117S engines fitted to the Sukhoi Su-35 while a new engine jointly developed by Saturn and the MMPP Salyut plant is in its design phase.
fail: T-50 is fitted with Izdeliye 117 (AL-41F1)

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Russian aircraft programmes - even in Soviet times - have often had year-end deadlines to complete first flights that came down to the wire. Sources close to the programme told Jane's that "the end of the year deadline may not be met, but the aircraft will fly very soon - either before the end of 2010 or just after the new year".
fail: you soon will know, why and when

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The programme designation has been changed and is now officially being referred to as the 'PAK-FA/MI' (MI meaning Mnogofunktsionalniy Istrebitel, or Multirole Fighter).

fail: first of all, not 'PAK-FA', but 'PAK FA'. second, there's no such thing as  'PAK-FA/MI' (as well as 'redesignation' mentioned)
'PAK FA' is PAK FA, and there's no 'MI' - there's separate PMI entity, Perspektivny Mnogofunkcionalny Istrebitel = Advanced Multifunctional Fighter
in short, PMI is a Russian designation for FGFA
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2010, 01:39:30 pm »
Quote from: flanker on December 21, 2010, 04:27:47 pm
I will believe it, when i see it.  :)

Here .. reportedly the first picture !
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2010, 01:46:57 pm »
flateric,

Jane's data is increasingly poor, in places just atrocious, however the obvious detail floors in the article do not preclude them from having genuinely discussed the J-20 with people in Russian industry who have seen it, or claim to have seen it.
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2010, 02:01:56 pm »
From that photo it is really clear that it is V tail, canard and two engined :D Yes, its common belief of the appearance of the Chinese 5th gen fighter, however we can be still surprised. As for now, only one thing is certain: that they are developing 5th gen.
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2010, 02:15:01 pm »
Thanks for posting Deino, but i am still no believer.  :)
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2010, 03:30:15 pm »
It'll turn out to be an YF-23 lookalike...  ;)
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2010, 03:37:38 pm »
Quote from: mz on December 22, 2010, 03:30:15 pm
It'll turn out to be an YF-23 lookalike...  ;)

I wouldn't mind at all...

You know, everyone has fantasies...  ::)
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Re: Photos and analysis of China's J-20 fighter as it nears first flight
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2010, 03:37:54 pm »
It is being claimed that the photo is heavily photoshopped.
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