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Offline pometablava

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Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« on: November 28, 2006, 09:27:47 am »
Aviation Magazine Num 768 (15-XII-79)

On page 71 we find a reference about 110P fighter which was a development of Type 100P racer ordered in 1939 by Ministère de l'Air but never developed due to the outbreak of WWII.

Type 100 info and pics here:

http://www.bugattiaircraft.com/

http://www.bugattiaircraft.com/kalempa.htm

Could anybody post pics of Model 110P? :)

Thanks

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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2006, 10:06:19 am »
Pics of the model 100 that was built

The 101 had clipped wings

The 110P was to be armed with 1x37mm and 6x7.5mm guns

http://perso.orange.fr/morlock68/bugatti.htm

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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2007, 08:53:20 am »
Hi all..
I've read this topic with great interest and visited the mentioned sites.
I'm itching to do a profile of the P110 Interceptor and was wondering what developments/changes/modifications would have been required to make the 110 from the 100.

Red Admiral mentions clipped wings and the armament. The illustration shows 2 guns in each wing but not clipped wings.
I wondered where the 6 guns and the single 37mm may have been housed and how?

I ask those more wise and sage than I, what other mods may have been applied?

Many thanks
Peter
 
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2007, 10:16:23 am »
The 37mm gun fired through the propellor. I assume the 6x7.5mm mgs were in the wings as there isn't much space left in the fuselage. For other mods I'd think a radio aerial at least.

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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2007, 10:46:52 am »
... and I think, in most cases, where fighters got a curved windscreen, it turned out
to be less than ideal, so I would include at least a flat panel into the canopy.
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2007, 10:37:10 pm »
Many thanks to one and all.
I wil definitely do a profile in the near future and will include all these tips.
The only thing I'm a little wary of, is doing the flat pane windscreen on such a large canopy.
I agree with you Jemiba, but I'll have to put my thinking cap on to sort it out and try and make it look "pukka"...lol.

Cheers
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2007, 10:40:15 pm »
PS...
Skybolt
I have not forgotten the Italian project...
Cheers
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2007, 11:49:21 am »
Just a proposal for the flat windscreen . In fact I think, a fighter
with such a heavy armament would have been much larger.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2007, 11:52:10 am by Jemiba »
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2007, 02:05:32 pm »
Jemiba ,

The Bugatti Aircraft Association (www.bugattiaircraft.com)
speak about the 110P asof a light pursuit version with 2 guns.
Other sources speak of a "chasseur reconnaissense" reccon. fighter.

This is  maybe closer to the real fighter proposal.

(one 37mmm and six wing guns-2x3- in indeed a bit to much for the
 racer develloped fighter)
 

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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2007, 01:08:05 pm »
Well, two guns seems to be much more plausible.
Tomorrow, I'll look for the article about the Bugatti 100 in
the Aviation Francais Magazine, maybe there's a clue.
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 03:05:39 am »
Thanks for the illustration Jemiba.
Just what I hoped for.
When I start I may add a forward hoop too...I'll see what it looks like when I get there.

Excellent.
Cheers
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2007, 07:20:20 am »
Another little question...
The 100P had contra 2 blade props.
Do you think for the 110P these would have been upgraded to say 3 bladed ones?

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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2007, 12:37:54 pm »
Difficult question indeed ....    ???
I think, in contrast to the britains, who built the first batches of their
Hurricanes and Spitfires still with two bladed props, the french seems to
have favoured three bladed ones for the fighters of that era, just before
the war. But a contra prop may be quite a different affair ! Probably three
blades would allow a lower diameter, compared to two blades and so allow
the installation of guns further inward. But that's just an amateurs opinion,
we need the experts here !
At least, three blades (or better six of two three bladed props) look better !   ;D   
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Re: Bugatti 100 Racer and 110 Fighter Projects
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2007, 08:52:30 pm »
You could get by with a somewhat lower prop rpm using three-bladed props rather than two-bladed ones for the same, or modestly higher, engine output, or you could go with a slightly smaller prop diameter and keep the same rpm.  Personally, I'd go for three-bladed props and an uprated engine for the fighter.